[INDOLOGY] iti in Sanskrit
Caley Smith
smith.caley at gmail.com
Tue Nov 15 15:07:50 UTC 2022
Dear All,
On a related topic, does anyone know of recent work on quotative *uitī, *the
Avestan not-quite cognate of *iti* (via <*u-ti instead)?
Best,
Caley
On Tue, Nov 15, 2022 at 5:17 AM Jean-Luc Chevillard <
jean-luc.chevillard at univ-paris-diderot.fr> wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> the 2004 paper of mine cited by Andrew is freely available online here
>
> https://books.openedition.org/ifp/7801
>
> « Ideophones in Tamil: a Historical Perspective on the X-eṉal
> expressives (Olikkuṟippu Āṟṟuppaṭai) »
>
> Best wishes
>
> அன்புடன்
>
> -- Jean-Luc
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> On 13/11/2022 22:32, Andrew Ollett via INDOLOGY wrote:
> > Since Matthew mentioned MIA, I suppose I can share this presentation on
> > clausal complements in Middle Indic, which also contains some
> > observations on the use of iti in Sanskrit (and eṉ- and its cognates in
> > Dravidian languages):
> >
> > https://www.dropbox.com/s/t6kq9y55x3oj6k8/presentation.pdf?dl=0
> > <https://www.dropbox.com/s/t6kq9y55x3oj6k8/presentation.pdf?dl=0>
> >
> > This is a talk I gave at Chicago in 2018. The work is still unpublished.
> >
> > Andrew
> >
> > On Sun, Nov 13, 2022 at 3:26 PM Sudalaimuthu Palaniappan via INDOLOGY
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> > Indology list archive is a valuable repository of knowledge. But the
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> > *Reply-To: *"George L. HART" <glhart at berkeley.edu
> > <mailto:glhart at berkeley.edu>>
> > *Date: *Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 1:12 PM
> > *To: *Indology List <indology at list.indology.info
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> > *Subject: *Re: [INDOLOGY] iti in Sanskrit____
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> > V.S. Rajam’s book is an essential one for students of classical
> > Tamil, covering syntax, meter, morphology, etc. What I meant is that
> > to my knowledge no one has made a substantial study of every use of
> > eṉ in Sangam literature. Such a study might include uses of iti in
> > early Sanskrit. For example, in modern Tamil we often find ēṉ eṉṟāl,
> > “If you ask why,” which corresponds exactly to Sanskrit "kuta iti
> > cet.” One wonders how old this usage is in both languages. George
> > Hart____
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> > On Nov 12, 2022, at 6:07 PM, rajam <rajam at earthlink.net
> > <mailto:rajam at earthlink.net>> wrote:____
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> > Dear List Members, ____
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> > George Hart said: ____
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> > /// I am sure many have noted that in Tamil, the word eṉ, which
> > has equivalents in other Dravidian languages (an in Telugu, for
> > example), is far more productive than Sanskrit iti. It occurs in
> > various forms — adjective (eṉṉum), adverb (eṉṟu), noun (eṉpatu),
> > finite verb (e.g. eṉkiṟārkaḷ), while in Sanskrit iti is only
> > adverbial. It would be interesting to analyze the uses of eṉ in
> > Sangam literature — I’m not sure anyone has done this. /// ____
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> > Just to kindle your memory … ____
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> > Please look into my book “A Reference Grammar of Classical Tamil
> > Poetry, V.S. Rajam, American Philosophical Society, 1992” ____
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> > Thanks and regards,____
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> > V.S. Rajam ____
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> > On Nov 12, 2022, at 12:54 PM, George L. HART via INDOLOGY
> > <indology at list.indology.info
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> > I am sure many have noted that in Tamil, the word eṉ, which
> > has equivalents in other Dravidian languages (an in Telugu,
> > for example), is far more productive than Sanskrit iti. It
> > occurs in various forms — adjective (eṉṉum), adverb (eṉṟu),
> > noun (eṉpatu), finite verb (e.g. eṉkiṟārkaḷ), while in
> > Sanskrit iti is only adverbial. It would be interesting to
> > analyze the uses of eṉ in Sangam literature — I’m not sure
> > anyone has done this. Of course, the use of this
> > construction could be an areal phenomenon — it is not
> > necessarily true that its presence in early Sanskrit is due
> > to Dravidian, though I think it is highly likely, given its
> > richness in Dravidian languages. George Hart____
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> > On Nov 12, 2022, at 1:08 PM, Tieken, H.J.H. (Herman) via
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> > I do not know if the question was about /iti/as an areal
> > phenomenon. If so, see F.B.J. Kuiper, "The Genesis of a
> > Linguistic Area", IIJ 1968, where, if I remember well,
> > he compares Skt/iti/ with Tamil/eṉṟu/.____
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> > *Onderwerp:*Re: [INDOLOGY] iti in Sanskrit____
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> > ____
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> > If I remember correctly, the possibility of the "iti"
> > constructions being an areal phenomena have been
> > discussed for many decades. The best person to provide
> > information regarding this topic may be Hans Hock. I
> > will see if I can locate any of these older
> > publications.____
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> > Madhav M. Deshpande____
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> > Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics____
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> > On Sat, Nov 12, 2022 at 6:28 AM Olivelle, Joseph P via
> > INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info
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> > See the many explanations of ‘iti’ in Gary Tubb and
> > Emery Boose’s book “Scholastic Sanskrit”.
> >
> > Patrick
> >
> >
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> > > On Nov 12, 2022, at 8:10 AM, Brendan S. Gillon,
> Prof. via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info
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> > > Dear colleagues,
> > >
> > > I am wondering if any of you know of articles on
> the use of `iti' in
> > > Sanskrit.
> > >
> > > Best wishes,
> > >
> > > Brendan
> > >
> > > --
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