Re: [INDOLOGY] Matty Weingast's Therīgāthā

[Rupert Gethin]

Dear Matthew,

The following reviews some of the relevant issues:

Pontillo, Tiziana and Chiara Neri, ‘The Case of Yogakṣema/yogakkhema in Vedic and Suttapiṭaka Sources: In Response to Norman’, Journal of Indian Philosophy, 47 (2019), 527–63.

Best wishes,

Rupert
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On 25 Jan 2021, at 11:50, Matthew Kapstein via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:

Yes, thank you, Patricia, - it has been widely.

To the list more generally -

There is one question it raises for me, not about Weingast's fantasies, but about K. R. Norman's
translation cited herein. In the first verse quoted, he renders yogakkhema (= Skt. yogakṣema) as "rest-from-exertion". Charles Hallisey, in his recent translation of the same work https://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674427730
gives "safety," which seems more plausible to me in light of the Sanskrit usage.

I would be grateful for any insights you might have into Norman's treatment of the term and, more generally, into the semantic range of the curious expression yogakṣema. Tibetan lexicographers, by the way, treated it as having the meanings "accomplished" (grub-pa = siddha) and "comfort/ease/happiness" (bde-ba = sukha).

best to all,
Matthew

Matthew Kapstein
Directeur d'études, émérite
Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes, Paris

Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies,
The University of Chicago
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Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Matty Weingast's Therīgāthā

Thank you very much for this.

Valerie J Roebuck
Manchester, UK

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On 24 Jan 2021, at 00:31, Patricia Sauthoff via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:


Dear all,

I thought you might find this article on the myriad issues with a recent publication of the Therīgāthā of interest.

https://lokanta.github.io/2021/01/21/curious-case/?fbclid=IwAR3A-mrXnNT-1f5ZYLr4OWYe9_i1nZyGko1RdEkeR2Zxao9Bh8Gf8FALeLI


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Department of History, Classics, and Religious Studies
University of Alberta
Edmonton, Canada
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