Re: [INDOLOGY] Matty Weingast's Therīgāthā

Mon Jan 25 13:25:08 UTC 2021

Matthew,

See also Neri, Chiara & Pontillo, Tiziana. “On the Boundary between "Yogakkhema" in the "Suttapiṭaka" and "Yogakṣema" in the "Upaniṣads" and "Bhagavadgītā.” Cracow Indological Studies, 2019-12-31, Vol.21 (2)

Summary
The combination of the stems yoga- and khema-/kṣema- occurs in phrases or compounds in both ancient and in middle Indo-Aryan sources but what is intriguing is that such a combination is generally interpreted as coordinating in the former occurrences and as subordinating in the latter ones. In particular, yogakkhema- within the Buddhist Theravāda Canon and its commentarial literature is regularly analysed as a tatpuruṣa and often translated as ‘freedom from bondage or safety’.We recently presented a part of the Vedic and Pali documentation collected in the context of more broadly shared research on this subject during the 18th Conference of the International Association of Buddhist Studies (Section: “Buddhism and Its relation to other religions”) held at the University of Toronto on August 20th–25th, 2017, now published as Pontillo and Neri 2019. The case of yogakṣema/yogakkhema in Vedic and Suttapiṭaka sources. In response to Norman. In: Journal of Indian Philosophy 47(3): 527–563. Here, we shall take a further step in the above-mentioned comparison by concentrating on the occurrences of the compound yogakṣema/yogakkhema as found in the upaniṣads and in the Bhagavadgītā and in some comparable Suttapiṭaka passages with the aim of understanding what might have been the boundary that this word historically crossed in the framework of an assumed dialogue between different traditions.

best,
Dan

> On Jan 25, 2021, at 7:08 AM, Rupert Gethin via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
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> Dear Matthew, 
> 
> The following reviews some of the relevant issues:
> 
> Pontillo, Tiziana and Chiara Neri, ‘The Case of Yogakṣema/yogakkhema in Vedic and Suttapiṭaka Sources: In Response to Norman’, Journal of Indian Philosophy, 47 (2019), 527–63.
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> Best wishes,
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> Rupert
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>> On 25 Jan 2021, at 11:50, Matthew Kapstein via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
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>> Yes, thank you, Patricia, - it has been widely.
>> 
>> To the list more generally - 
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>> There is one question it raises for me, not about Weingast's fantasies, but about K. R. Norman's
>> translation cited herein. In the first verse quoted, he renders yogakkhema (= Skt. yogakṣema) as "rest-from-exertion". Charles Hallisey, in his recent translation of the same work https://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674427730 <https://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674427730>
>> gives "safety," which seems more plausible to me in light of the Sanskrit usage.
>> 
>> I would be grateful for any insights you might have into Norman's treatment of the term and, more generally, into the semantic range of the curious expression yogakṣema. Tibetan lexicographers, by the way, treated it as having the meanings "accomplished" (grub-pa = siddha) and "comfort/ease/happiness" (bde-ba = sukha).
>> 
>> best to all,
>> Matthew
>> 
>> Matthew Kapstein
>> Directeur d'études, émérite
>> Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes, Paris
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>> The University of Chicago
>> From: INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info <mailto:indology-bounces at list.indology.info>> on behalf of Valerie J Roebuck via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>>
>> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2021 5:20 AM
>> To: Patricia Sauthoff <sauthoff at ualberta.ca <mailto:sauthoff at ualberta.ca>>
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>> Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Matty Weingast's Therīgāthā
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>> Thank you very much for this.
>> 
>> Valerie J Roebuck
>> Manchester, UK
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>> Sent from my iPad
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>>> On 24 Jan 2021, at 00:31, Patricia Sauthoff via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
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>>> 
>>> Dear all,
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>>> I thought you might find this article on the myriad issues with a recent publication of the Therīgāthā of interest. 
>>> 
>>> https://lokanta.github.io/2021/01/21/curious-case/?fbclid=IwAR3A-mrXnNT-1f5ZYLr4OWYe9_i1nZyGko1RdEkeR2Zxao9Bh8Gf8FALeLI <https://lokanta.github.io/2021/01/21/curious-case/?fbclid=IwAR3A-mrXnNT-1f5ZYLr4OWYe9_i1nZyGko1RdEkeR2Zxao9Bh8Gf8FALeLI>
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