[INDOLOGY] Garuda's resolution

[David and Nancy Reigle]

Dear Artur,

Your query has given me an excuse to take out time to compare the new
translation of the critical edition of the Mahābhārata by Bibek Debroy,
something I had been wanting to do.

Bibek Debroy translates this sentence as:
I will not give the soma to anyone to drink.

The first ever translation, by Kisari Mohan Ganguli, has (chapter 34):
I shall not give the Soma to any one for drink.

The next translation, by M. N. Dutt, has (chapter 34):
I shall not give the Soma to any body to drink.

The translation of this part of the critical edition by J. A. B. van
Buitenen has:
I shall not give it to anyone to partake of.

Best regards,

David Reigle
Colorado, U.S.A.

On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 9:03 AM Artur Karp via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Dear Prof. Hock,
>
> Thanks for the detailed analysis of the sentence.
>
> But. 'Anyone'.
>
> My English-Polish/Polish-English Dictionary directs me from 'anyone' to
> 'anybody'. And - according to it - 'anybody' may also mean 'somebody
> unimportant'. In Polish: 'byle kto'.
>
> Would you - definitely - exclude this very meaning? After careful
> deliberations, I decided for using it in my Polish translation of the
> episode.
>
> Best,
>
> Artur Karp (MA)
> Senior Lecturer in Sanskrit and Pali (ret.)
> Department of South Asian Studies
> University of Warsaw
>
>
> 2018-09-10 15:58 GMT+02:00 Hock, Hans Henrich <hhhock at illinois.edu>:
>
>> Dear Colleague,
>>
>> The usual interpretation of the combination *kim* (interrogative
>> pronoun) plus *cid* is as an indefinite, and combined with the negative *
>> na*, it is best translated (in English) as ‘anybody’. So the
>> interpretation of the line would have to be something like ‘I (aham) will
>> not (na) give (dāsyāmi) soma to even (api) anyone (kasmaicid) to take
>> (samādātum) [it]’. So, everybody will be excluded from taking the soma.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Hans Henrich Hock
>>
>>
>> On 10 Sep 2018, at 00:47, Artur Karp via INDOLOGY <
>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>
>> Dear List,
>>
>> In Mbh I, 30.8 *b* Garuda says:
>>
>> na dāsyāmi samādātuṃ somaṃ kasmaicidapyaham
>>
>> *kasmaicid* - (to) *whom*?
>>
>> Who is going to be excluded?
>>
>> Your opinion, please?
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Artur Karp
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