Dear Artur,

Your query has given me an excuse to take out time to compare the new translation of the critical edition of the Mahābhārata by Bibek Debroy, something I had been wanting to do.

Bibek Debroy translates this sentence as:

I will not give the soma to anyone to drink.

The first ever translation, by Kisari Mohan Ganguli, has (chapter 34):

I shall not give the Soma to any one for drink.

The next translation, by M. N. Dutt, has (chapter 34):

I shall not give the Soma to any body to drink.

The translation of this part of the critical edition by J. A. B. van Buitenen has:

I shall not give it to anyone to partake of.

Best regards,

David Reigle

Colorado, U.S.A.

On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 9:03 AM Artur Karp via INDOLOGY <indology@list.indology.info> wrote:

Dear Prof. Hock,

Thanks for the detailed analysis of the sentence.

But. 'Anyone'.

My English-Polish/Polish-English Dictionary directs me from 'anyone' to 'anybody'. And - according to it - 'anybody' may also mean 'somebody unimportant'. In Polish: 'byle kto'.

Would you - definitely - exclude this very meaning? After careful deliberations, I decided for using it in my Polish translation of the episode.

Best,

Artur Karp (MA)
Senior Lecturer in Sanskrit and Pali (ret.)
Department of South Asian Studies
University of Warsaw

2018-09-10 15:58 GMT+02:00 Hock, Hans Henrich <hhhock@illinois.edu>:

Dear Colleague,

The usual interpretation of the combination kim (interrogative pronoun) plus cid is as an indefinite, and combined with the negative na, it is best translated (in English) as ‘anybody’. So the interpretation of the line would have to be something like ‘I (aham) will not (na) give (dāsyāmi) soma to even (api) anyone (kasmaicid) to take (samādātum) [it]’. So, everybody will be excluded from taking the soma.

Best wishes,

Hans Henrich Hock

On 10 Sep 2018, at 00:47, Artur Karp via INDOLOGY <indology@list.indology.info> wrote:

Dear List,

In Mbh I, 30.8 b Garuda says:

na dāsyāmi samādātuṃ somaṃ kasmaicidapyaham

kasmaicid - (to) whom?

Who is going to be excluded?

Your opinion, please?

Thank you,

Artur Karp

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