Re: [INDOLOGY] mīmāṃsā

Wed Sep 21 02:35:44 UTC 2016

Patrick would not have been so intrigued if he placed the issue in a
broader ritual studies framework, since the tradition insider /tradition
follower of a certain culture feeling compelled to perform the rituals
forming part of the culture is one of the cultural universals.

Traditionalism, i.e. performing rituals with the idea/belief that they have
to be and are being performed exactly the way the ancestors or the
'beginners' of the rituals performed them., is one of the defining features
of a ritual.

On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 8:15 PM, Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh at umich.edu> wrote:

> The Mīmāṃsā texts referred to by Andrew are all very late texts.  Not to
> discount the value of these late texts, it would be best to look at the
> early sources of Mīmāṃsā, namely the Sūtras of Jaimini and Śabara's Bhāṣya,
> with commentaries by Kumārila and Prabhākara.  The best source may be
> Ganganath Jha's book: Pūrvamīmāṃsā in its Sources.  Best,
>
> Madhav Deshpande
>
> On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 9:41 AM, Andrew Ollett <andrew.ollett at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Patrick mentioned that scriptural commandments "were originally meant for
>> a group of people in a different time and place," which is not the way that
>> Mīmāṃsakas understand scriptural commandments. They consider the
>> commandments themselves to be outside of time (and apauruṣeya, not authored
>> by any historical person), and their addressees to be defined by open-ended
>> criteria that cut across time and space (adhikāra). There is some
>> discussion of how these commandments are imagined to work in the
>> Mīmāṃsānyāyaprakāśa, already mentioned, which has been translated by
>> Franklin Edgerton <http://www.new.dli.ernet.in/handle/2015/264213>, and
>> in James Benson's recent translation of the Mīmāṃsānyāyasaṃgraha of
>> Mahādeva Vedāntin (Wiesbaden 2010). Maybe one place to start is the
>> discussion of adhikāra-vidhis (in the sixth adhyāya of the Mīmāṃsā system,
>> and section 225 ff. in Edgerton's translation).
>>
>> You may also want to consult Kanchana Natarajan, *The Vidhi Viveka of
>> Maṇḍana Miśra: Understanding Vedic Injunctions* (Delhi 1995).
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 5:48 AM, Nagaraj Paturi <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Patrick,
>>>
>>> > I thought I might find some help here in locating the passages I seek.
>>>
>>> By mīmāmsā, if you mean the original book of the darśana on which all
>>> the books known as mīmāmsā books are composed, you do not get any passages
>>> as you sought. The book is in the form of sūtras. .
>>>
>>> If you saw a passage as you mentioned, it must be a book interpreting or
>>> discussing the sūtras.
>>>
>>> śāstra compelling someone to act in a certain way is a complex issue.
>>> Depending on which sampradāya a person follows, and the varṇa and āśrama to
>>> which one considers oneself belonging, feeling oneself  compelled
>>> by śāstra to follow karmakānḍa varies.
>>>
>>> For example, a sannyāsi of advaita or a follower of certain Bhakti
>>> tradition may not feel compelled that way.
>>>
>>> You might want to know the complexity of these details.
>>>
>>> A list member may guide you to a publication discussing such details.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 1:36 PM, Krishnaprasad G <
>>> krishnaprasadah.g at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> For beginners Arthasangraha is better. Especially the translation and
>>>> notes by A.B Gajendragadkar and R.D Karmarmakar is very lucid and clear
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 20, 2016 9:17 AM, "patrick mccartney" <psdmccartney at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear Friends,
>>>>>
>>>>> I find myself intrigued by the idea that there are people today
>>>>> compelled to carry on the karmakāṇḑa rituals.
>>>>>
>>>>> I read a brief passage that alludes to the mīmāṃsā thought-world as
>>>>> providing textual evidence and injunctions for this practice of reenacting
>>>>> scriptural commandments, which were originally meant for a group of people
>>>>> in a different time and place. However, it only mentions mīmāṃsā and does
>>>>> not mention any specific author or text.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would like to read this text but, as I know very little about
>>>>> mīmāṃsā I do not really know where to start. I thought I might find some
>>>>> help here in locating the passages I seek.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you for your help.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> All the best,
>>>>>
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