[INDOLOGY] New Publication on Logical Thought in India

Tue Feb 14 10:15:04 UTC 2023

Indeed, thank you for the summary.

I plainly support this opinion.
I take it that my speech was too colourful.
Surely not as helpful as the one of Dominik, though it was intended in support of it..

I see no need to have any shame whatsoever in using such helpful platforms. I even wonder why we should hide it.
Suggesting the opposite, especially in this precise case, seems... well.... You may choose your wording better than I did.

Again, no offense intended. I aimed at no colleague but spoke in general terms, if one was to suggest a moral issue with using 'lib gen,' especially in regard to this book.

Perhaps stating our use of such services more openly could also bring to light the problem in today's publishing.

Moreover, I find that the desire to regulate everything (proposing a monthly fee for example) seldom helps those most affected by the original problem (in this case prohibitive pricing).
This was a perspective on Dominik's proposition. Take it or leave it.

Some things, in my view, are better left untouched. (Perhaps it was the case with this conversation, in regard to my own contribution.)

Thank you for the discussion.

Kindly,

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Dr. Karl-Stéphan Bouthillette
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As far as I can see, what was suggested in the post was that since its a copyright violation,to proceed with caution and also giving some instructions on how to remain undetected..
quoting " Downloading books from Libgen is almost always a serious breach of copyright (so always use an anonymizing VPN!)...

Downloading from Libgen can be handled in a manner that makes detection

impossible, . , ,Proceed with caution, and hope for better business models from future publishers".
and with understanding why it is done.
Again quoting "
 And for readers without

access to a well-funded library system, it can be the *only* way to read a
book.  If you want to check a single page or quotation, it is hard to
justify the purchase of a whole book, especially at academic book prices.
Sometimes, Libgen can allow one to check a reference far more quickly than
by accessing the same book DRM-protected and legally accessible through the

library system. And time matters.
And giving justification for using the service.

and in many cases the breach of copyright is so slight, for
example if less than 10% of the book is displayed on the computer screen,
that if it came to court it might be judged "fair use."

As far as I can see it was a very helpful post.
Harry Spier

On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 2:29 AM Karl-Stephan Bouthillette via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
Dear Mr. Kapstein,

You are right, I could have kept it shorter for the sake of clarity.

I see no reason whatsoever to even suggest not using 'lib gen.'

Raising the issue, especially in the context of the current excess from Springer (not from the authors, obviously), is (in my eyes) both faint morality and slightly obscene.

No offense intended.

Kindly,

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Dr. Karl-Stéphan Bouthillette
Assistant Professor, Department of Philosophy (DoP)
________________________________
Manipal Academy of Higher Education (MAHE)
6th floor, Advanced Research Centre (ARC), Tower 3
MAHE, Manipal – 576104, INDIA
Tel: +91 82029 37750
Extension: 37756

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From: Matthew Kapstein <mkapstei at uchicago.edu<mailto:mkapstei at uchicago.edu>>
Sent: 14 February 2023 09:18
To: Karl-Stephan Bouthillette <karl-stephan.bouthillette.1 at ulaval.ca<mailto:karl-stephan.bouthillette.1 at ulaval.ca>>; indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info> <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>>
Subject: Re: New Publication on Logical Thought in India

Dear Mr. Bouthillette,

You write
There is something slightly obscene in seeing the faint morality of our comfortable professorial colleagues even suggesting that sites like 'lib gen' might infringe (their) authorial rights.

But in fact, no party to the discussion wrote anything that would warrant this comment.

It was agreed by all, I think, that Springer’s outrageous pricing is the problem. And there was no suggestion that the authors benefit from this, so it is not quite clear what you’re saying here.

cordially ,
Matthew Kapstein

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Subject: [INDOLOGY] New Publication on Logical Thought in India

I would like to begin by congratulating the authors for their hard work on the "Handbook of Logical Thought in India."
No doubt there is something in there worth the read.

Yet, perhaps to add to the discussion, for anyone actually working in India, and perhaps especially in indological fields, one wonders what logic, if any, is there behind such a price tag.

Colleagues may play the good political game of highlighting the criminality of copyrights infringement related to sites like 'lib gen,' yet without these doing research in the Global South would be an almost impossible project at the moment. Public libraries are too often outdated and private ones must carefully decide what to acquire.
I remember doing research work at JNU at a time before 'lib gen.' Most books on Indian philosophy were at least 40 years old. I do hope it changed on the bookshelves. But I know that 'lib gen' changed the game for sure.

There is something slightly obscene in seeing the faint morality of our comfortable professorial colleagues even suggesting that sites like 'lib gen' might infringe (their) authorial rights.
And at the same time seeing a book on 'Indian logic' available at the illogical cost of more than a full month salary for most of my colleagues in Indian institutions.

Even a certain Netflix-like payment a month is not necessarily something our students can afford.
Should we forbid them the most convenient and obvious way to get access to international research?

Let it be my defence of pedagogical piracy in an age of corporate pirates.

I was delighted to see my book on these Websites as soon as it got out...
I hope all the others will land there too.

Cordially,

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Dr. Karl-Stéphan Bouthillette
Assistant Professor, Department of Philosophy (DoP)
________________________________
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6th floor, Advanced Research Centre (ARC), Tower 3
MAHE, Manipal – 576104, INDIA
Tel: +91 82029 37750
Extension: 37756

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Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2023 15:15:31 +0300
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>From the Wikipedia article on shadow libraries:

Content hosted by some shadow libraries may be hosted without the consent of the original owners of the material. This may make some shadow libraries illegal<https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime>

MK
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Wikipedia describes it as a 'shadow library'.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Library_Genesis

In fact, it is a place where you can get a major part of contemporary indological books.
--
Evgeniya Desnitskaya
Institute of Oriental Manuscripts
Russian Academy of Sciences

11.02.2023, 14:58, "Matthew Kapstein" <mkapstei at uchicago.edu<mailto:mkapstei at uchicago.edu>>:
Thank you, Evgeniya,

I do not know this site or whether it adheres to appropriate legal conventions.

with regards,
Matthew

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Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] New Publication on Logical Thought in India

Dear Matthew,

This book is available at Libgen site.
Though, I'm not sure if it is appropriate to add a link on this resour?e.

Best,
Evgeniya

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Evgeniya Desnitskaya
Institute of Oriental Manuscripts
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11.02.2023, 13:23, "Matthew Kapstein via INDOLOGY" <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info><mailto:indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>>>:
Thanks, Jay,

I have the good fortune to use a library that has e-access and I can vouch for the considerable interest of the volume. For readers who may not have such connections, however, it is unfortunate that it is prohibitively expensive. May we hope to see a ?cheap? edition some day?

best regards,
Matthew Kapstein

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Subject: [INDOLOGY] New Publication on Logical Thought in India

Dear Colleagues,

On behalf of the editors Sarukkai and Chakraborty, it is my pleasure to bring to your kind attention this new Springer reference work publication:

Handbook of Logical Thought in India

Please find all the publication details here:

https://link.springer.com/referencework/10.1007/978-81-322-2577-5

With thanks and best wishes,

Jay

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Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Articles on the development of the idea of
        Shiva
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Thank you to Michael Witzel who pointed me to his edition and translation
of The Katha Aranyaka 2.100 and was kind enough to translate the passage
into english.

And thank you to Corinna Wessels-Mevissen who pointed me  to Stella
Kramrisch's The Presence of Shiva.  I was pleasantly surprised to see most
(all?) of Stella Kramrisch's books available for e-loan on archive.org<http://archive.org>.

Harry Spier

On Fri, Feb 10, 2023 at 9:27 AM Harry Spier <vasishtha.spier at gmail.com<mailto:vasishtha.spier at gmail.com>>
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> Dear list members,
> If anyone has any articles on the development of the idea of Shiva.
> Particularly how vedic Rudra became Shiva. Could you forward them to me, or
> point out if there is anything on archive.org<http://archive.org> etc.
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> Harry Spier
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Dear list members,

I am looking for an electronic copy of the following article:

B. G. L. Swamy. 1975. ?The Golaki School of Saivism in the Tamil Country.? Journal of Indian History 53: 167-209.

If someone has a copy that they could send me, I would be most grateful.

Many thanks,
Michael

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The publishing industry today is where the music industry was about two or
three decades ago.  Libgen is rather like the original Napster
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napster>.  Libgen makes many books
downloadable without any regard for copyright rights or the law generally.
Publishing companies from time to time try to shut down Libgen and its
predecessors like Library.Nu <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Library.nu>.
In the past few months, for example, such a publishers' consortium has
succeeded in shutting down many of the mirrors of Libgen (like
https://b-ok.cc/).  But it's whack-a-mole.  What publishers are not
responding to is the need for a new model of digital book distribution,
analogous to streamed music.  We should be able to pay about $10 per month
and read whatever we want.  Amazon is the one large company I know that has
tried this, with its Kindle Unlimited
<https://www.amazon.ca/kindle-dbs/hz/subscribe/ku?ref_=nav_em__k_ku_0_2_4_8>
program.  That way, everyone gets paid, and everyone can read without fear
of prosecution.

Where does that leave us?  Downloading books from Libgen is almost always a
serious breach of copyright (so always use an anonymizing VPN!).  On the
other hand, it is often irresistibly convenient.  And for readers without
access to a well-funded library system, it can be the *only* way to read a
book.  If you want to check a single page or quotation, it is hard to
justify the purchase of a whole book, especially at academic book prices.
Sometimes, Libgen can allow one to check a reference far more quickly than
by accessing the same book DRM-protected and legally accessible through the
library system.  And time matters.
There are so many books on Libgen published by companies like Brill and
Routledge that it's hard to believe they are not quietly aware of it, and
accepting it as an alternative distribution method, although of course they
would officially deny it.  So many of the PDFs are clearly publishers'
originals, not scans, suggesting at the very least that there is
uncontrolled leakage of content directly from the publishers.

We live in interesting times.  Libgen is more than merely "shadowy."  To
download from Libgen is in most cases a crime against copyright law (has
the author been dead for more than 60 years).  Just as it used to be with
Napster and early Spotify.  At the same time, the obscene profits of giant
publishing corporations like Pearson, Bertelsmann, Elsevier and Springer
and Scholastic, coupled with their unwillingness to adapt to the world of
digital distribution, make it almost inevitable that Libgen exists.

Downloading from Libgen can be handled in a manner that makes detection
impossible, and in many cases the breach of copyright is so slight, for
example if less than 10% of the book is displayed on the computer screen,
that if it came to court it might be judged "fair use."

Proceed with caution, and hope for better business models from future
publishers.

Best wishes,
Dominik
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Matthew &c.,

It'll be curious to see the effect of the past two or three years
on prices. (The cost of paper has certainly increased.) Some
sort of comparison should be possible once figures find their
way through to the ALA:

Prices of U.S. and Foreign Published Materials
https://www.ala.org/alcts/resources/collect/serials/spi

Best, Richard

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Thanks, Jay,

I have the good fortune to use a library that has e-access and I can
vouch for the considerable interest of the volume. For readers who may
not have such connections, however, it is unfortunate that it is
prohibitively expensive. May we hope to see a ?cheap? edition some
day?

best regards,
Matthew Kapstein?

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Dear Colleagues,
On behalf of the editors Sarukkai and Chakraborty, it is my pleasure
to bring to your kind attention this new Springer reference work
publication:
Handbook of Logical Thought in India
Please find all the publication details here:
https://link.springer.com/referencework/10.1007/978-81-322-2577-5
With thanks and best wishes,
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From: Matthew Kapstein <mkapstei at uchicago.edu<mailto:mkapstei at uchicago.edu>>
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Dear Richard,

The book we?ve been discussing is over 450 euros. I don?t believe that Springer?s extravagant pricing is a function of rising costs of paper.

best,
Matthew

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Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] New Publication on Logical Thought in India

Matthew &c.,

It'll be curious to see the effect of the past two or three years
on prices. (The cost of paper has certainly increased.) Some
sort of comparison should be possible once figures find their
way through to the ALA:

Prices of U.S. and Foreign Published Materials
https://www.ala.org/alcts/resources/collect/serials/spi

Best, Richard

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Thanks, Jay,

I have the good fortune to use a library that has e-access and I can vouch for the considerable interest of the volume. For readers who may not have such connections, however, it is unfortunate that it is prohibitively expensive. May we hope to see a ?cheap? edition some day?

best regards,
Matthew Kapstein

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Subject: [INDOLOGY] New Publication on Logical Thought in India

Dear Colleagues,

On behalf of the editors Sarukkai and Chakraborty, it is my pleasure to bring to your kind attention this new Springer reference work publication:

Handbook of Logical Thought in India

Please find all the publication details here:

https://link.springer.com/referencework/10.1007/978-81-322-2577-5

With thanks and best wishes,

Jay

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From: Jonathan Silk <kauzeya at gmail.com<mailto:kauzeya at gmail.com>>
To: Matthew Kapstein <mkapstei at uchicago.edu<mailto:mkapstei at uchicago.edu>>
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main non, mes amis:

eBook ?459.03
Hardcover book ?599.49

So there is no paper involved for ?460, and heaven forbid if you want it in
paper.

By the way, the extremely odd pricing suggests either that this is
converted from another currency or that the pricing is calculated by some
machine with zero human input; a price with 3 cents is not proposed by a
human.

Jonathan

On Sun, Feb 12, 2023 at 9:55 AM Matthew Kapstein via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:

> Dear Richard,
>
> The book we?ve been discussing is over 450 euros. I don?t believe that
> Springer?s extravagant pricing is a function of rising costs of paper.
>
> best,
> Matthew
>
> Sent from Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info<mailto:indology-bounces at list.indology.info>> on behalf of
> Richard Mahoney | Indica et Buddhica via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>>
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> *To:* indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info> <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>>
> *Subject:* Re: [INDOLOGY] New Publication on Logical Thought in India
>
> Matthew &c.,
>
> It'll be curious to see the effect of the past two or three years
> on prices. (The cost of paper has certainly increased.) Some
> sort of comparison should be possible once figures find their
> way through to the ALA:
>
> *Prices of U.S. and Foreign Published Materials*
> https://www.ala.org/alcts/resources/collect/serials/spi
>
>
> Best, Richard
>
>
> --
>
> *T* +6433121699  *M* +64210640216
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>
> *Indica et Buddhica*
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> NZBN: 9429041761809
>
>
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> *From*: Matthew Kapstein via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>
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> *Subject*: Re: [INDOLOGY] New Publication on Logical Thought in India
> *Date*: 2023.02.11 23:22:59
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>
> Thanks, Jay,
>
> I have the good fortune to use a library that has e-access and I can vouch
> for the considerable interest of the volume. For readers who may not have
> such connections, however, it is unfortunate that it is prohibitively
> expensive. May we hope to see a ?cheap? edition some day?
>
> best regards,
> Matthew Kapstein
>
> Sent from Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info<mailto:indology-bounces at list.indology.info>> on behalf of Jay
> Soni via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>>
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> *Subject:* [INDOLOGY] New Publication on Logical Thought in India
>
>
> Dear Colleagues,
>
> On behalf of the editors Sarukkai and Chakraborty, it is my pleasure to
> bring to your kind attention this new Springer reference work publication:
>
> Handbook of Logical Thought in India
>
> Please find all the publication details here:
>
> https://link.springer.com/referencework/10.1007/978-81-322-2577-5
>
> With thanks and best wishes,
>
> Jay
>
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To: Jonathan Silk <kauzeya at gmail.com<mailto:kauzeya at gmail.com>>
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Right. Springer?s price gouging is well known to be based on a business model that depends on insanely high prices for institutional subscriptions to scientific journals that are primarily, or in many cases exclusively, distributed electronically. Springer thrives in a post-paper world.
Matthew

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main non, mes amis:

eBook ?459.03
Hardcover book ?599.49

So there is no paper involved for ?460, and heaven forbid if you want it in paper.

By the way, the extremely odd pricing suggests either that this is converted from another currency or that the pricing is calculated by some machine with zero human input; a price with 3 cents is not proposed by a human.

Jonathan

On Sun, Feb 12, 2023 at 9:55 AM Matthew Kapstein via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info><mailto:indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>>> wrote:
Dear Richard,

The book we?ve been discussing is over 450 euros. I don?t believe that Springer?s extravagant pricing is a function of rising costs of paper.

best,
Matthew

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Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] New Publication on Logical Thought in India

Matthew &c.,

It'll be curious to see the effect of the past two or three years
on prices. (The cost of paper has certainly increased.) Some
sort of comparison should be possible once figures find their
way through to the ALA:

Prices of U.S. and Foreign Published Materials
https://www.ala.org/alcts/resources/collect/serials/spi

Best, Richard

--

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https://indica-et-buddhica.com/

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Thanks, Jay,

I have the good fortune to use a library that has e-access and I can vouch for the considerable interest of the volume. For readers who may not have such connections, however, it is unfortunate that it is prohibitively expensive. May we hope to see a ?cheap? edition some day?

best regards,
Matthew Kapstein

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Subject: [INDOLOGY] New Publication on Logical Thought in India

Dear Colleagues,

On behalf of the editors Sarukkai and Chakraborty, it is my pleasure to bring to your kind attention this new Springer reference work publication:

Handbook of Logical Thought in India

Please find all the publication details here:

https://link.springer.com/referencework/10.1007/978-81-322-2577-5

With thanks and best wishes,

Jay

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Date: 12 Feb 2023 18:01:25 -0000
From: "alakendu das" <mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com<mailto:mailmealakendudas at rediffmail.com>>
To: "indology" <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>>
Subject: [INDOLOGY] LakshmiDhar Kavi
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Reverred Scholars,
Of late,I am going through a book on Vedanta, entitled "Adwaitya Makaranda", written by  LakshmiDhar Kavi.I learnt ,he was related to Vidyaranya, the author of "Panchadashi".Can  anyone enlighten me,a bit more, on  background and philosophy of the author LakshmiDhar Kavi.? RegardsAlakendu Das

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From: Shubha Pathak <pathak at american.edu<mailto:pathak at american.edu>>
To: "indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>" <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>>, Harry
        Spier <vasishtha.spier at gmail.com<mailto:vasishtha.spier at gmail.com>>
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        Shiva
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Dear Harry,

The Online First version of my article "Shifting ??stric ?iva: Co-operating Epic Mythology and Philosophy in India?s Classical Period" is available (without page numbers and with a subscription) at the International Journal of Hindu Studies site (https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11407-022-09337-8).

Sincerely,
Shubha

???
Shubha Pathak, PhD, PhD
Associate Professor
Department of Philosophy and Religion
American University
Battelle-Tompkins 113
4400 Massachusetts Avenue, NW
Washington, DC 20016-8056

Phone: 202-885-2957<tel:202-885-2957>
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From: INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info<mailto:indology-bounces at list.indology.info>> on behalf of Harry Spier via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>>
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Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Articles on the development of the idea of Shiva

External Email: Use caution with links and attachments.

Thank you to Michael Witzel who pointed me to his edition and translation of The Katha Aranyaka 2.100 and was kind enough to translate the passage into english.

And thank you to Corinna Wessels-Mevissen who pointed me  to Stella Kramrisch's The Presence of Shiva.  I was pleasantly surprised to see most (all?) of Stella Kramrisch's books available for e-loan on archive.org<http://archive.org><https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://archive.org__;!!IaT_gp1N!12MXULAi3AyhwqeZ0pWmakqvOgoXfI3QdqOmRzCLriz6EwNtYiP-GnM8v5unbvsjMyefFSXNEmLMCKQwUgtuPsYy1Fy9$>.

Harry Spier

On Fri, Feb 10, 2023 at 9:27 AM Harry Spier <vasishtha.spier at gmail.com<mailto:vasishtha.spier at gmail.com><mailto:vasishtha.spier at gmail.com<mailto:vasishtha.spier at gmail.com>>> wrote:
Dear list members,
If anyone has any articles on the development of the idea of Shiva.  Particularly how vedic Rudra became Shiva. Could you forward them to me, or point out if there is anything on archive.org<http://archive.org><https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://archive.org__;!!IaT_gp1N!12MXULAi3AyhwqeZ0pWmakqvOgoXfI3QdqOmRzCLriz6EwNtYiP-GnM8v5unbvsjMyefFSXNEmLMCKQwUgtuPsYy1Fy9$> etc.
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Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2023 19:39:36 -0500
From: Harry Spier <vasishtha.spier at gmail.com<mailto:vasishtha.spier at gmail.com>>
To: Shubha Pathak <pathak at american.edu<mailto:pathak at american.edu>>
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Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Articles on the development of the idea of
        Shiva
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Thank you to Shubha Pathak for her article and thank you to Peter Bisschop
for forwarding his article in Brill's Encyclopedia of Hinduism.
Harry Spier

On Sun, Feb 12, 2023 at 7:11 PM Shubha Pathak <pathak at american.edu<mailto:pathak at american.edu>> wrote:

>
>
>
> Dear Harry,
>
> The Online First version of my article "Shifting ??stric ?iva:
> Co-operating Epic Mythology and Philosophy in India?s Classical Period" is
> available (without page numbers and with a subscription) at the *International
> Journal of Hindu Studies *site (
> https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11407-022-09337-8).
>
> Sincerely,
> Shubha
>
>
>
> ???
> Shubha Pathak, PhD, PhD
> Associate Professor
> Department of Philosophy and Religion
> American University
> Battelle-Tompkins 113
> 4400 Massachusetts Avenue, NW
> Washington, DC 20016-8056
>
> Phone: 202-885-2957
> Fax: 202-885-1094
> E-mail: pathak at american.edu<mailto:pathak at american.edu>
> Web pages: http://www.american.edu/cas/faculty/pathak.cfm
>
>                     https://orcid.org/0000-0003-4087-0601
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info<mailto:indology-bounces at list.indology.info>> on behalf of Harry
> Spier via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>>
> *Sent:* Saturday, February 11, 2023 8:41 AM
> *To:* indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info> <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>>
> *Subject:* Re: [INDOLOGY] Articles on the development of the idea of Shiva
>
>
> *External Email:* Use caution with links and attachments.
> Thank you to Michael Witzel who pointed me to his edition and translation
> of The Katha Aranyaka 2.100 and was kind enough to translate the passage
> into english.
>
> And thank you to Corinna Wessels-Mevissen who pointed me  to Stella
> Kramrisch's The Presence of Shiva.  I was pleasantly surprised to see most
> (all?) of Stella Kramrisch's books available for e-loan on archive.org<http://archive.org>
> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://archive.org__;!!IaT_gp1N!12MXULAi3AyhwqeZ0pWmakqvOgoXfI3QdqOmRzCLriz6EwNtYiP-GnM8v5unbvsjMyefFSXNEmLMCKQwUgtuPsYy1Fy9$>
> .
>
> Harry Spier
>
> On Fri, Feb 10, 2023 at 9:27 AM Harry Spier <vasishtha.spier at gmail.com<mailto:vasishtha.spier at gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> Dear list members,
> If anyone has any articles on the development of the idea of Shiva.
> Particularly how vedic Rudra became Shiva. Could you forward them to me, or
> point out if there is anything on archive.org<http://archive.org>
> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://archive.org__;!!IaT_gp1N!12MXULAi3AyhwqeZ0pWmakqvOgoXfI3QdqOmRzCLriz6EwNtYiP-GnM8v5unbvsjMyefFSXNEmLMCKQwUgtuPsYy1Fy9$>
> etc.
> Thanks
> Harry Spier
>
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Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2023 04:26:18 +0000
From: McComas Taylor <McComas.Taylor at anu.edu.au<mailto:McComas.Taylor at anu.edu.au>>
To: bvparishat <bvparishat at googlegroups.com<mailto:bvparishat at googlegroups.com>>, Indology
        <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>>, Amba Kulkarni <ambapradeep at gmail.com<mailto:ambapradeep at gmail.com>>
Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Proceedings of WSC: Digital Humanities and
        Computational Sanskrit
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Congratulations Amba and Oliver!

McComas

[cid:befa3b8e-889d-4b79-baac-20e161185b40]

McComas Taylor, Associate Professor, Reader in Sanskrit
College of Asia and Pacific, Australian National University
Secretary-General, International Assoc. of Sanskrit Studies

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Subject: [INDOLOGY] Proceedings of WSC: Digital Humanities and Computational Sanskrit

Dear members,

We are glad to inform you that now the proceedings of the 18th WSC session on "Digital Humanities and Computational Sanskrit" are published online and are available at

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Amba Kulkarni & Oliver Hellwig

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