[INDOLOGY] New Publication on Logical Thought in India
Vitus Angermeier
vitus.angermeier at univie.ac.at
Tue Feb 14 09:46:08 UTC 2023
Dear colleagues,
until now this discussion focused on our role as victims of this system,
however, we are not only consumers but also content providers. And as
such we feed this system and enable it. If fewer colleagues submitted
articles to high-priced volumes, if fewer colleagues signed book
contracts with the big, profiteering international publishers, their
system would crumble.
And there are alternatives: we have collected several at our FOASAS
website: https://foasas.org/#journals
It is in our hands to make these publishers and journals more
prestigious. In consequence, they will be able to (at least partly)
replace the big profiteering publishers. Then, dubious solutions like
libgen will gradually become obsolete.
Best wishes,
Vitus Angermeier
Am 14.02.2023 um 10:22 schrieb Harry Spier via INDOLOGY:
> As far as I can see, what was suggested in the post was that since its
> a copyright violation,to proceed with caution and also giving some
> instructions on how to remain undetected..
> quoting"Downloading books from Libgen is almost always a serious
> breach of copyright (so always use an anonymizing VPN!)...
> Downloading from Libgen can be handled in a manner that makes detection
> impossible, . , ,Proceed with caution, and hope for better business
> models from future publishers".
> and with understanding why it is done.
> Again quoting "
> And for readers without
> access to a well-funded library system, it can be the *only* way to
> read a book. If you want to check a single page or quotation, it is
> hard to justify the purchase of a whole book, especially at academic
> book prices. Sometimes, Libgen can allow one to check a reference far
> more quickly than by accessing the same book DRM-protected and legally
> accessible through the
> library system. And time matters.
> And giving justification for using the service.
> and in many cases the breach of copyright is so slight, for example if
> less than 10% of the book is displayed on the computer screen, that if
> it came to court it might be judged "fair use."
> As far as I can see it was a very helpful post.
> Harry Spier
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 2:29 AM Karl-Stephan Bouthillette via INDOLOGY
> <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
> Dear Mr. Kapstein,
>
> You are right, I could have kept it shorter for the sake of clarity.
>
> I see no reason whatsoever to even suggest not using 'lib gen.'
>
> Raising the issue, especially in the context of the current excess
> from Springer (not from the authors, obviously), is (in my eyes)
> both faint morality and slightly obscene.
>
> No offense intended.
>
> Kindly,
>
>
>
>
> Dr. Karl-Stéphan Bouthillette
> Assistant Professor, Department of Philosophy (DoP)
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>
> /Manipal Academy of Higher Education/(MAHE)
> 6th floor, Advanced Research Centre (ARC), Tower 3
> MAHE, Manipal – 576104, INDIA
> Tel: +91 82029 37750
> Extension: 37756
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> *From:* Matthew Kapstein <mkapstei at uchicago.edu>
> *Sent:* 14 February 2023 09:18
> *To:* Karl-Stephan Bouthillette
> <karl-stephan.bouthillette.1 at ulaval.ca>;
> indology at list.indology.info <indology at list.indology.info>
> *Subject:* Re: New Publication on Logical Thought in India
> Dear Mr. Bouthillette,
>
> You write
> There is something slightly obscene in seeing the faint morality
> of our comfortable professorial colleagues even suggesting that
> sites like 'lib gen' might infringe (their) authorial rights.
>
> But in fact, no party to the discussion wrote anything that would
> warrant this comment.
>
> It was agreed by all, I think, that Springer’s outrageous pricing
> is the problem. And there was no suggestion that the authors
> benefit from this, so it is not quite clear what you’re saying here.
>
> cordially ,
> Matthew Kapstein
>
> Sent from Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
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> *From:* INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf
> of Karl-Stephan Bouthillette via INDOLOGY
> <indology at list.indology.info>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 14, 2023 7:09:57 AM
> *To:* indology at list.indology.info <indology at list.indology.info>
> *Subject:* [INDOLOGY] New Publication on Logical Thought in India
> I would like to begin by congratulating the authors for their hard
> work on the "Handbook of Logical Thought in India."
> No doubt there is something in there worth the read.
>
> Yet, perhaps to add to the discussion, for anyone actually working
> in India, and perhaps especially in indological fields, one
> wonders what logic, if any, is there behind such a price tag.
>
> Colleagues may play the good political game of highlighting the
> criminality of copyrights infringement related to sites like 'lib
> gen,' yet without these doing research in the Global South would
> be an almost impossible project at the moment. Public libraries
> are too often outdated and private ones must carefully decide what
> to acquire.
> I remember doing research work at JNU at a time before 'lib gen.'
> Most books on Indian philosophy were at least 40 years old. I do
> hope it changed on the bookshelves. But I know that 'lib gen'
> changed the game for sure.
>
> There is something slightly obscene in seeing the faint morality
> of our comfortable professorial colleagues even suggesting that
> sites like 'lib gen' might infringe (their) authorial rights.
> And at the same time seeing a book on 'Indian logic' available at
> the illogical cost of more than a full month salary for most of my
> colleagues in Indian institutions.
>
> Even a certain Netflix-like payment a month is not necessarily
> something our students can afford.
> Should we forbid them the most convenient and obvious way to get
> access to international research?
>
> Let it be my defence of pedagogical piracy in an age of corporate
> pirates.
>
> I was delighted to see my book on these Websites as soon as it got
> out...
> I hope all the others will land there too.
>
> Cordially,
>
>
>
>
> Dr. Karl-Stéphan Bouthillette
> Assistant Professor, Department of Philosophy (DoP)
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> /Manipal Academy of Higher Education/(MAHE)
> 6th floor, Advanced Research Centre (ARC), Tower 3
> MAHE, Manipal – 576104, INDIA
> Tel: +91 82029 37750
> Extension: 37756
>
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> 1. Re: New Publication on Logical Thought in India
> (Evgeniya Desnitskaya)
> 2. Re: New Publication on Logical Thought in India (Matthew
> Kapstein)
> 3. Re: Articles on the development of the idea of Shiva (Harry
> Spier)
> 4. Article request (Michael Gollner)
> 5. Re: New Publication on Logical Thought in India (Dominik
> Wujastyk)
> 6. Re: New Publication on Logical Thought in India
> (Richard Mahoney | Indica et Buddhica)
> 7. Re: New Publication on Logical Thought in India (Matthew
> Kapstein)
> 8. Re: New Publication on Logical Thought in India (Jonathan Silk)
> 9. Re: New Publication on Logical Thought in India (Matthew
> Kapstein)
> 10. LakshmiDhar Kavi (alakendu das)
> 11. Re: Articles on the development of the idea of Shiva
> (Shubha Pathak)
> 12. Re: Articles on the development of the idea of Shiva (Harry
> Spier)
> 13. Re: Proceedings of WSC: Digital Humanities and Computational
> Sanskrit (McComas Taylor)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2023 15:15:31 +0300
> From: Evgeniya Desnitskaya <khecari at yandex.ru>
> To: Matthew Kapstein <mkapstei at uchicago.edu>, indology
> <indology at list.indology.info>
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> From: Matthew Kapstein <mkapstei at uchicago.edu>
> To: Evgeniya Desnitskaya <khecari at yandex.ru>, indology
> <indology at list.indology.info>
> Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] New Publication on Logical Thought in India
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> >From the Wikipedia article on shadow libraries:
>
> Content hosted by some shadow libraries may be hosted without the
> consent of the original owners of the material. This may make some
> shadow libraries illegal<https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime>
>
> MK
> ________________________________
> From: Evgeniya Desnitskaya <khecari at yandex.ru>
> Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2023 1:15:31 PM
> To: Matthew Kapstein <mkapstei at uchicago.edu>; indology
> <indology at list.indology.info>
> Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] New Publication on Logical Thought in India
>
> - bvparishat@, jaysoni05@, listserv@, ssarukkai@
>
> Wikipedia describes it as a 'shadow library'.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Library_Genesis
>
> In fact, it is a place where you can get a major part of
> contemporary indological books.
> --
> Evgeniya Desnitskaya
> Institute of Oriental Manuscripts
> Russian Academy of Sciences
>
>
>
> 11.02.2023, 14:58, "Matthew Kapstein" <mkapstei at uchicago.edu>:
> Thank you, Evgeniya,
>
> I do not know this site or whether it adheres to appropriate legal
> conventions.
>
> with regards,
> Matthew
>
> Sent from Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
> ________________________________
> From: Evgeniya Desnitskaya
> <khecari at yandex.ru<mailto:khecari at yandex.ru>>
> Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2023 12:21:16 PM
> To: Matthew Kapstein
> <mkapstei at uchicago.edu<mailto:mkapstei at uchicago.edu>>; Jay Soni
> <jaysoni05 at gmail.com<mailto:jaysoni05 at gmail.com>>; indology
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> Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] New Publication on Logical Thought in India
>
> Dear Matthew,
>
> This book is available at Libgen site.
> Though, I'm not sure if it is appropriate to add a link on this
> resour?e.
>
> Best,
> Evgeniya
>
> --
> Evgeniya Desnitskaya
> Institute of Oriental Manuscripts
> Russian Academy of Sciences
>
>
>
> 11.02.2023, 13:23, "Matthew Kapstein via INDOLOGY"
> <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>>:
> Thanks, Jay,
>
> I have the good fortune to use a library that has e-access and I
> can vouch for the considerable interest of the volume. For readers
> who may not have such connections, however, it is unfortunate that
> it is prohibitively expensive. May we hope to see a ?cheap?
> edition some day?
>
> best regards,
> Matthew Kapstein
>
> Sent from Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
> ________________________________
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> on behalf of Jay Soni via INDOLOGY
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> Subject: [INDOLOGY] New Publication on Logical Thought in India
>
>
> Dear Colleagues,
>
> On behalf of the editors Sarukkai and Chakraborty, it is my
> pleasure to bring to your kind attention this new Springer
> reference work publication:
>
> Handbook of Logical Thought in India
>
> Please find all the publication details here:
>
> https://link.springer.com/referencework/10.1007/978-81-322-2577-5
>
> With thanks and best wishes,
>
> Jay
>
> ,
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> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2023 08:41:43 -0500
> From: Harry Spier <vasishtha.spier at gmail.com>
> To: indology at list.indology.info
> Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Articles on the development of the idea of
> Shiva
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> Thank you to Michael Witzel who pointed me to his edition and
> translation
> of The Katha Aranyaka 2.100 and was kind enough to translate the
> passage
> into english.
>
> And thank you to Corinna Wessels-Mevissen who pointed me to Stella
> Kramrisch's The Presence of Shiva. I was pleasantly surprised to
> see most
> (all?) of Stella Kramrisch's books available for e-loan on
> archive.org <http://archive.org>.
>
> Harry Spier
>
> On Fri, Feb 10, 2023 at 9:27 AM Harry Spier
> <vasishtha.spier at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Dear list members,
> > If anyone has any articles on the development of the idea of Shiva.
> > Particularly how vedic Rudra became Shiva. Could you forward
> them to me, or
> > point out if there is anything on archive.org
> <http://archive.org> etc.
> > Thanks
> > Harry Spier
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> From: Michael Gollner <m.a.gollner at gmail.com>
> To: indology at list.indology.info
> Subject: [INDOLOGY] Article request
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> Dear list members,
>
> I am looking for an electronic copy of the following article:
>
> B. G. L. Swamy. 1975. ?The Golaki School of Saivism in the Tamil
> Country.? Journal of Indian History 53: 167-209.
>
> If someone has a copy that they could send me, I would be most
> grateful.
>
> Many thanks,
> Michael
>
> --
> Michael A. Gollner, Ph.D.
> McGill University
> School of Religious Studies
> Birks Building, 3520 University St.
> Montreal, QC H3A 2A7, Canada
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> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2023 17:31:17 -0700
> From: Dominik Wujastyk <wujastyk at gmail.com>
> To: Matthew Kapstein <mkapstei at uchicago.edu>
> Cc: Evgeniya Desnitskaya <khecari at yandex.ru>, Jay Soni
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> The publishing industry today is where the music industry was
> about two or
> three decades ago. Libgen is rather like the original Napster
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napster>. Libgen makes many books
> downloadable without any regard for copyright rights or the law
> generally.
> Publishing companies from time to time try to shut down Libgen and its
> predecessors like Library.Nu
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Library.nu>.
> In the past few months, for example, such a publishers' consortium has
> succeeded in shutting down many of the mirrors of Libgen (like
> https://b-ok.cc/). But it's whack-a-mole. What publishers are not
> responding to is the need for a new model of digital book
> distribution,
> analogous to streamed music. We should be able to pay about $10
> per month
> and read whatever we want. Amazon is the one large company I know
> that has
> tried this, with its Kindle Unlimited
> <https://www.amazon.ca/kindle-dbs/hz/subscribe/ku?ref_=nav_em__k_ku_0_2_4_8>
> program. That way, everyone gets paid, and everyone can read
> without fear
> of prosecution.
>
> Where does that leave us? Downloading books from Libgen is almost
> always a
> serious breach of copyright (so always use an anonymizing VPN!).
> On the
> other hand, it is often irresistibly convenient. And for readers
> without
> access to a well-funded library system, it can be the *only* way
> to read a
> book. If you want to check a single page or quotation, it is hard to
> justify the purchase of a whole book, especially at academic book
> prices.
> Sometimes, Libgen can allow one to check a reference far more
> quickly than
> by accessing the same book DRM-protected and legally accessible
> through the
> library system. And time matters.
> There are so many books on Libgen published by companies like
> Brill and
> Routledge that it's hard to believe they are not quietly aware of
> it, and
> accepting it as an alternative distribution method, although of
> course they
> would officially deny it. So many of the PDFs are clearly publishers'
> originals, not scans, suggesting at the very least that there is
> uncontrolled leakage of content directly from the publishers.
>
> We live in interesting times. Libgen is more than merely
> "shadowy." To
> download from Libgen is in most cases a crime against copyright
> law (has
> the author been dead for more than 60 years). Just as it used to
> be with
> Napster and early Spotify. At the same time, the obscene profits
> of giant
> publishing corporations like Pearson, Bertelsmann, Elsevier and
> Springer
> and Scholastic, coupled with their unwillingness to adapt to the
> world of
> digital distribution, make it almost inevitable that Libgen exists.
>
> Downloading from Libgen can be handled in a manner that makes
> detection
> impossible, and in many cases the breach of copyright is so
> slight, for
> example if less than 10% of the book is displayed on the computer
> screen,
> that if it came to court it might be judged "fair use."
>
> Proceed with caution, and hope for better business models from future
> publishers.
>
> Best wishes,
> Dominik
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> From: Richard Mahoney | Indica et Buddhica
> <rmahoney at indica-et-buddhica.org>
> To: indology at list.indology.info
> Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] New Publication on Logical Thought in India
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> Matthew &c.,
>
> It'll be curious to see the effect of the past two or three years
> on prices. (The cost of paper has certainly increased.) Some
> sort of comparison should be possible once figures find their
> way through to the ALA:
>
> Prices of U.S. and Foreign Published Materials
> https://www.ala.org/alcts/resources/collect/serials/spi
>
>
> Best, Richard
>
>
> --
> T?+6433121699??M?+64210640216
> rmahoney at indica-et-buddhica.org
> https://indica-et-buddhica.com/
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> Indica et Buddhica
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> From: Matthew Kapstein via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
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> Date: 2023.02.11 23:22:59
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>
> Thanks, Jay,
>
> I have the good fortune to use a library that has e-access and I can
> vouch for the considerable interest of the volume. For readers who may
> not have such connections, however, it is unfortunate that it is
> prohibitively expensive. May we hope to see a ?cheap? edition some
> day?
>
> best regards,
> Matthew Kapstein?
>
> Sent from Outlook for iOS
> From: INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of Jay
> Soni via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
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> Subject: [INDOLOGY] New Publication on Logical Thought in India?
> Dear Colleagues,
> On behalf of the editors Sarukkai and Chakraborty, it is my pleasure
> to bring to your kind attention this new Springer reference work
> publication:
> Handbook of Logical Thought in India
> Please find all the publication details here:
> https://link.springer.com/referencework/10.1007/978-81-322-2577-5
> With thanks and best wishes,
> Jay
>
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> From: Matthew Kapstein <mkapstei at uchicago.edu>
> To: Richard Mahoney | Indica et Buddhica
> <rmahoney at indica-et-buddhica.org>,
> "indology at list.indology.info"
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> Dear Richard,
>
> The book we?ve been discussing is over 450 euros. I don?t believe
> that Springer?s extravagant pricing is a function of rising costs
> of paper.
>
> best,
> Matthew
>
> Sent from Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
> ________________________________
> From: INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of
> Richard Mahoney | Indica et Buddhica via INDOLOGY
> <indology at list.indology.info>
> Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2023 5:33:16 AM
> To: indology at list.indology.info <indology at list.indology.info>
> Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] New Publication on Logical Thought in India
>
> Matthew &c.,
>
> It'll be curious to see the effect of the past two or three years
> on prices. (The cost of paper has certainly increased.) Some
> sort of comparison should be possible once figures find their
> way through to the ALA:
>
> Prices of U.S. and Foreign Published Materials
> https://www.ala.org/alcts/resources/collect/serials/spi
>
>
> Best, Richard
>
>
>
> --
>
> T +6433121699 M +64210640216
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>
> -----Original Message-----
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> To: Jay Soni
> <jaysoni05 at gmail.com<mailto:Jay%20Soni%20%3cjaysoni05 at gmail.com
> <mailto:Jay%2520Soni%2520%253cjaysoni05 at gmail.com>%3e>>, indology
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> Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] New Publication on Logical Thought in India
> Date: 2023.02.11 23:22:59
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>
> Thanks, Jay,
>
> I have the good fortune to use a library that has e-access and I
> can vouch for the considerable interest of the volume. For readers
> who may not have such connections, however, it is unfortunate that
> it is prohibitively expensive. May we hope to see a ?cheap?
> edition some day?
>
> best regards,
> Matthew Kapstein
>
> Sent from Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
> ________________________________
> From: INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of
> Jay Soni via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
> Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2023 10:40:43 AM
> To: indology <indology at list.indology.info>;
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> Cc: ssarukkai at gmail.com <ssarukkai at gmail.com>
> Subject: [INDOLOGY] New Publication on Logical Thought in India
>
>
> Dear Colleagues,
>
> On behalf of the editors Sarukkai and Chakraborty, it is my
> pleasure to bring to your kind attention this new Springer
> reference work publication:
>
> Handbook of Logical Thought in India
>
> Please find all the publication details here:
>
> https://link.springer.com/referencework/10.1007/978-81-322-2577-5
>
> With thanks and best wishes,
>
> Jay
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2023 10:00:50 +0100
> From: Jonathan Silk <kauzeya at gmail.com>
> To: Matthew Kapstein <mkapstei at uchicago.edu>
> Cc: "Richard Mahoney | Indica et Buddhica"
> <rmahoney at indica-et-buddhica.org>,
> "indology at list.indology.info"
> <indology at list.indology.info>
> Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] New Publication on Logical Thought in India
> Message-ID:
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> <CAMGmO4KQYO0nv5diNDwmJ+v+dEeMp6qnKsB+uNVB_J8NLHQCLg at mail.gmail.com
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> main non, mes amis:
>
> eBook ?459.03
> Hardcover book ?599.49
>
> So there is no paper involved for ?460, and heaven forbid if you
> want it in
> paper.
>
> By the way, the extremely odd pricing suggests either that this is
> converted from another currency or that the pricing is calculated
> by some
> machine with zero human input; a price with 3 cents is not
> proposed by a
> human.
>
> Jonathan
>
> On Sun, Feb 12, 2023 at 9:55 AM Matthew Kapstein via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
> > Dear Richard,
> >
> > The book we?ve been discussing is over 450 euros. I don?t
> believe that
> > Springer?s extravagant pricing is a function of rising costs of
> paper.
> >
> > best,
> > Matthew
> >
> > Sent from Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
> > ------------------------------
> > *From:* INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of
> > Richard Mahoney | Indica et Buddhica via INDOLOGY <
> > indology at list.indology.info>
> > *Sent:* Sunday, February 12, 2023 5:33:16 AM
> > *To:* indology at list.indology.info <indology at list.indology.info>
> > *Subject:* Re: [INDOLOGY] New Publication on Logical Thought in
> India
> >
> > Matthew &c.,
> >
> > It'll be curious to see the effect of the past two or three years
> > on prices. (The cost of paper has certainly increased.) Some
> > sort of comparison should be possible once figures find their
> > way through to the ALA:
> >
> > *Prices of U.S. and Foreign Published Materials*
> > https://www.ala.org/alcts/resources/collect/serials/spi
> >
> >
> > Best, Richard
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > *T* +6433121699 *M* +64210640216
> > rmahoney at indica-et-buddhica.org
> > https://indica-et-buddhica.com/
> >
> > *Indica et Buddhica*
> > Littledene Bay Road Oxford NZ
> > NZBN: 9429041761809
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > *From*: Matthew Kapstein via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info
> >
> <Matthew%20Kapstein%20via%20INDOLOGY%20%3cindology at list.indology.info
> <mailto:Matthew%2520Kapstein%2520via%2520INDOLOGY%2520%253cindology at list.indology.info>%3e>>
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> > <Matthew%20Kapstein%20%3cmkapstei at uchicago.edu
> <mailto:Matthew%2520Kapstein%2520%253cmkapstei at uchicago.edu>%3e>>
> > *To*: Jay Soni <jaysoni05 at gmail.com
> > <Jay%20Soni%20%3cjaysoni05 at gmail.com
> <mailto:Jay%2520Soni%2520%253cjaysoni05 at gmail.com>%3e>>, indology <
> > indology at list.indology.info
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> > *Subject*: Re: [INDOLOGY] New Publication on Logical Thought in
> India
> > *Date*: 2023.02.11 23:22:59
> > X-Spam-Score: 0.0
> >
> > Thanks, Jay,
> >
> > I have the good fortune to use a library that has e-access and I
> can vouch
> > for the considerable interest of the volume. For readers who may
> not have
> > such connections, however, it is unfortunate that it is
> prohibitively
> > expensive. May we hope to see a ?cheap? edition some day?
> >
> > best regards,
> > Matthew Kapstein
> >
> > Sent from Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
> > ------------------------------
> > *From:* INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf
> of Jay
> > Soni via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
> > *Sent:* Saturday, February 11, 2023 10:40:43 AM
> > *To:* indology <indology at list.indology.info>;
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> > *Cc:* ssarukkai at gmail.com <ssarukkai at gmail.com>
> > *Subject:* [INDOLOGY] New Publication on Logical Thought in India
> >
> >
> > Dear Colleagues,
> >
> > On behalf of the editors Sarukkai and Chakraborty, it is my
> pleasure to
> > bring to your kind attention this new Springer reference work
> publication:
> >
> > Handbook of Logical Thought in India
> >
> > Please find all the publication details here:
> >
> > https://link.springer.com/referencework/10.1007/978-81-322-2577-5
> >
> > With thanks and best wishes,
> >
> > Jay
> >
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