[INDOLOGY] Tamil initial vowels with vowel signs

Jan Kučera jan.kucera at matfyz.cz
Thu May 19 18:37:33 UTC 2022

Thank you Jean-Luc, that is helpful.

It is especially interesting that the vowels use a ring form of pulli in contrast with the dot pulli on consonants!


-----Original Message-----
From: Jean-Luc Chevillard <jean-luc.chevillard at univ-paris-diderot.fr> 
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2022 6:08 PM
To: Jan Kučera <jan.kucera at matfyz.cz>; indology at list.indology.info
Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Tamil initial vowels with vowel signs

Dear Jan,

you might be interested in the example which I include as an attachment.

You can see the puḷḷi on initial vowel in the commentary to the Naṉṉūl cūttiram which reads

தொல்லை வடிவின வெல்லா வெழுத்துமாண்
டெய்து மெகர வொகரமெய் புள்ளி

[tollai vaṭiviṉa vellā veḻuttumāṇ
ṭeytu mekara vokaramey puḷḷi]

I can provide you with more examples if you wish, including from Palm leaf MSS

All the best


-- Jean-Luc


On 19/05/2022 15:24, Jan Kučera wrote:
> Thank you both!
> Yes an alternative spelling of long vowels, such as அ+ாinstead of ஆ 
> would be an example. Other situations I could envision why that would 
> happen could be to express even-longer-than-long vowels, like ஆ+ா, or 
> alternative spellings of diphthongs or diphthongs that do not exist 
> Tamil. I have not seen these myself but wanted to check with others.
> In fact I am interested in any cases where the initial vowel would 
> take any mark - how about pulli on vowels?
> I am imagining not everyone is adhering to the Tolkāppiyam rules, be 
> it either modern usage, transliteration of other languages, or 
> manipravalam texts.
> Best regards,
> Jan
> *From:*INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> *On Behalf Of 
> *a.murugaiyan
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 19, 2022 1:52 PM
> *To:* indology at list.indology.info
> *Subject:* Re: [INDOLOGY] Tamil initial vowels with vowel signs
> Dear Jan,
> Do you meanஅ+ா  instead of ஆ at the initial position?
> Best regards.
> A. Murugaiyan
> Le 19/05/2022 à 12:22, Jan Kučera a écrit :
>     Dear all,
>     has anyone come across a Tamil orthography where a vowel sign would
>     be attached to an initial vowel, presumably most likely it would be
>     A or AA, e.g. ஆா?
>     Thank you and best regards,
>     Jan
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