[INDOLOGY] Sunya

[Jean-Luc Chevillard]

அன்புடையீர்
(dear VSR)

you might also want to see what François Gros wrote in his end notes (on 
p. 182 of the same 1968 book) concerning lines 77-79 of Paripāṭal 3

பாழெனக் காலெனப் பாகென வொன்றென
இரண்டென மூன்றென நான்கென வைந்தென
ஆறென வேழென வெட்டெனத் தொண்டென


77-79
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P. retrouve dans cette énumération les vingt-cinq tattva du Sāṃkhya:
/pāL/, le néant (ou le zéro) c'est le puruṣa inactif; /kāl/, le quart,
mais aussi "le germe", ce sont les cinq éléments qui débutent
par l'éther (i.e. les mahā bhūta); /pāku/ "division" (ou moitié)
ce sont les cinq karmendriy; /un/ c'est le son, qualité de l'éther;
/deux/, le toucher, qualité du vent; /trois/, la forme, qualite du feu;
/quatre/, la saveur, qualité de l'eau; /cinq/, l'odeur, qualité de la terre;
/six/, ce sont les cinq sens d'aperception (buddhīndriy) et le manas,
sens mental qui en détermine la perception; /sept/, l'ahaṃkāra;
/huit/, la buddhi; /neuf/, la mūlaprakṛti. L'exposé est complet et parfaite-
ment correct; le seul problème demeure de savoir si P. n'a pas ici
transposé un peu abusivement la science du Sāṃkhya qu'il avait
étalée par ailleurs aussi brillamment dans le commentaire du /KuRaḷ/ 23.
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[P. = பரிமேலழகர் (Parimēlaḻakar)]

அன்புடன்

-- Jean-Luc

https://htl.cnrs.fr/equipe/jl-chevillard/

On 26/07/2022 21:06, rajam via INDOLOGY wrote:
> Exactly!
> 
> The part … 'Tu as l'excellence dite par les nombres des âges de quatre 
> sortes :
> Noir aux yeux rouges, Blanc aux yeux noirs ‘ is crucial for 
> understanding ‘sūnya’ as a part of mathematical counting.
> 
> In Tamil, it goes like this:
> 
> … *எண்* நவிற்றும் சிறப்பினை
> 
> Thanks and Regards,
> rajam
> 
> 
>> On Jul 25, 2022, at 9:48 PM, Anurupa Naik <anurupa.n at ifpindia.org 
>> <mailto:anurupa.n at ifpindia.org>> wrote:
>>
>> If I'm not mistaken, you're referring to this part from Prof Gros' 
>> French translation of /Paripatal/ published by the French Institute:
>>
>> 75 Sans souffrir deux ombres, les trois fois sept mondes
>> C'est Toi qui les protèges sous une ombre unique.
>> Le néant, le quart, la moitié, un
>> Deux, trois, quatre, cinq
>> Six, sept, huit, neuf :
>> 80 Tu as l'excellence dite par les nombres des âges de quatre sortes :
>> Noir aux yeux rouges, Blanc aux yeux noirs [...]
>>
>> /(Le Paripāṭal. Texte tamoul/. Introduction, traduction et notes par 
>> François Gros, PIFI n°35, IFP, 1968, p. 16)
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Anurupa
>> IFP
>>
>> On 26-07-2022 02:52, rajam via INDOLOGY wrote:
>>>
>>> For whatever its worth … I’m tempted to provide some information from 
>>> the Tamil paripāṭal (பரிபாடல் : 3) where I see a mathematical counting 
>>> starting from ’sūnya’ / ‘zero’.
>>>
>>> This poem, paripāṭal (பரிபாடல் : 3), is dedicated to tirumāl (திருமால், 
>>> Vishnu).
>>>
>>> Here, the numbers are counted as: pāḻ (பாழ், meaning ’nothing 
>>> solid/concrete/meaningful…’), kāl (கால், one quarter, 1/4),  pāku 
>>> (பாகு, one half, 1/2), oṉṟu (ஒன்று, one), iraṇṭu (இரண்டு, two), mūṉṟu 
>>> (மூன்று, three), nāṉku (நான்கு, four), aiṉtu (ஐந்து, five), āṟu (ஆறு, 
>>> six), ēḻu (ஏழு, seven), eṭṭu (எட்டு, eight), toṇṭu (தொண்டு, nine).
>>>
>>> பாழ்என, கால்என, பாகுஎன, ஒன்றுஎன,
>>> இரண்டுஎன, மூன்றுஎன, நான்குஎன, ஐந்துஎன,
>>> ஆறுஎன, ஏழுஎன, எட்டுஎன, தொண்டுஎன,
>>> நால்வகைஊழிஎண்நவிற்றும்சிறப்பினை…
>>>
>>> Now, I request our dear colleague Jean-Luc Chevillard for a 
>>> translation from Gros for this part of the Paripadal poem.
>>>
>>> Thanks and regards,
>>> rajam
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Jul 25, 2022, at 9:19 AM, alakendu das via INDOLOGY 
>>>> <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dr.Dahejia,
>>>> With due regards, I mention the following points on the issue of 
>>>> "Sunnya"
>>>> 1) "Sunnyata" of Mahayana Buddhism is a purely philosophical concept 
>>>> developed by Asanga and his brother BasuBandhu, embodying the 
>>>> principal of "ChatushKotiBinirmuktwa"..
>>>> 2) In the world of Mathematics,probably ,an ancient Indian text 
>>>> dating back to 5th CE B.C, named as "Lokabibhaga" displayed use of 
>>>> decimal system ( including aero) .I would be grateful if any further 
>>>> reference on this text can be furnished.
>>>> 3) AryaBhatta's name is associated with the concept of zero" with 
>>>> respect,although there is a view that Maya civilization of Central 
>>>> America introduced the concept of zero.
>>>>
>>>> Would like to be enlightened more on this.
>>>> Regards
>>>> Alakendu Das.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from RediffmailNG on Android
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: Harsha Dehejia via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
>>>> Sent: Sun, 24 Jul 2022 16:20:43 GMT+0530
>>>> To: Indology List <indology at list.indology.info>
>>>> Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sunya
>>>>
>>>> Friends:
>>>>
>>>> Is there any evidence that the sunya of mathematics arose out of the 
>>>> sunyata of Mahayana Buddhism?
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>
>>>> Hrtsha
>>>> Harsha V. Dehejia
>>>>
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