[INDOLOGY] Sunya

[Jean-Luc Chevillard]

Dear all,

I suddenly realize that because I was answering a message containing 
French, I automatically switched to French in my answer.

Such is the power of mother tongues.

Here is the page scanned from the 1942 edition of Vīracōḻiyam which 
contains the occurrence of பாழ் [pāḻ] for referring to DIGIT ZERO in a 
mixed-type representation of number 1,048,576 (i.e. 2^20)
for the sake of those who would want to see it

Best wishes to all

-- Jean-Luc

https://htl.cnrs.fr/equipe/jl-chevillard/

On 26/07/2022 14:33, Jean-Luc Chevillard wrote:
> Merci Anurupa d'avoir répondu instantanément à la requête de notre amie 
> V.S. Rajam
> 
> On trouve aussi பாழ் pour dénoter le zéro dans des représentations (de 
> type mixte) pour des grands nombres, comme par exemple dans l'assertion
> 
> ஒருபாழ் பரவையோ ரெட்டைந்தோ ரேழா றிருபதாஞ் சந்தத்தி லெண்
> 
> qui explique qu'il existe 1,048,576 (i.e. 2 exponent 20) type de cantam 
> à 20 éléments
> (voir Vīracōḻiyam, édition de 1942)
> 
> Amicalement
> 
> -- Jean-Luc
> 
> https://htl.cnrs.fr/equipe/jl-chevillard/
> 
> 
> On 26/07/2022 06:48, Anurupa Naik wrote:
>> If I'm not mistaken, you're referring to this part from Prof Gros' 
>> French translation of /Paripatal/ published by the French Institute:
>>
>> 75 Sans souffrir deux ombres, les trois fois sept mondes
>> C'est Toi qui les protèges sous une ombre unique.
>> Le néant, le quart, la moitié, un
>> Deux, trois, quatre, cinq
>> Six, sept, huit, neuf :
>> 80 Tu as l'excellence dite par les nombres des âges de quatre sortes :
>> Noir aux yeux rouges, Blanc aux yeux noirs [...]
>>
>> /(Le Paripāṭal. Texte tamoul/. Introduction, traduction et notes par 
>> François Gros, PIFI n°35, IFP, 1968, p. 16)
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Anurupa
>> IFP
>>
>> On 26-07-2022 02:52, rajam via INDOLOGY wrote:
>>>
>>> For whatever its worth … I’m tempted to provide some information from 
>>> the Tamil paripāṭal (பரிபாடல் : 3) where I see a mathematical counting 
>>> starting from ’sūnya’ / ‘zero’.
>>>
>>> This poem, paripāṭal (பரிபாடல் : 3), is dedicated to tirumāl (திருமால், 
>>> Vishnu).
>>>
>>> Here, the numbers are counted as: pāḻ (பாழ், meaning ’nothing 
>>> solid/concrete/meaningful…’), kāl (கால், one quarter, 1/4),  pāku 
>>> (பாகு, one half, 1/2), oṉṟu (ஒன்று, one), iraṇṭu (இரண்டு, two), mūṉṟu 
>>> (மூன்று, three), nāṉku (நான்கு, four), aiṉtu (ஐந்து, five), āṟu (ஆறு, 
>>> six), ēḻu (ஏழு, seven), eṭṭu (எட்டு, eight), toṇṭu (தொண்டு, nine).
>>>
>>> பாழ்என, கால்என, பாகுஎன, ஒன்றுஎன,
>>> இரண்டுஎன, மூன்றுஎன, நான்குஎன, ஐந்துஎன,
>>> ஆறுஎன, ஏழுஎன, எட்டுஎன, தொண்டுஎன,
>>> நால்வகைஊழிஎண்நவிற்றும்சிறப்பினை…
>>>
>>> Now, I request our dear colleague Jean-Luc Chevillard for a 
>>> translation from Gros for this part of the Paripadal poem.
>>>
>>> Thanks and regards,
>>> rajam
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Jul 25, 2022, at 9:19 AM, alakendu das via INDOLOGY 
>>>> <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dr.Dahejia,
>>>> With due regards, I mention the following points on the issue of 
>>>> "Sunnya"
>>>> 1) "Sunnyata" of Mahayana Buddhism is a purely philosophical concept 
>>>> developed by Asanga and his brother BasuBandhu, embodying the 
>>>> principal of "ChatushKotiBinirmuktwa"..
>>>> 2) In the world of Mathematics,probably ,an ancient Indian text 
>>>> dating back to 5th CE B.C, named as "Lokabibhaga" displayed use of 
>>>> decimal system ( including aero) .I would be grateful if any further 
>>>> reference on this text can be furnished.
>>>> 3) AryaBhatta's name is associated with the concept of zero" with 
>>>> respect,although there is a view that Maya civilization of Central 
>>>> America introduced the concept of zero.
>>>>
>>>> Would like to be enlightened more on this.
>>>> Regards
>>>> Alakendu Das.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from RediffmailNG on Android
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: Harsha Dehejia via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
>>>> Sent: Sun, 24 Jul 2022 16:20:43 GMT+0530
>>>> To: Indology List <indology at list.indology.info>
>>>> Subject: [INDOLOGY] Sunya
>>>>
>>>> Friends:
>>>>
>>>> Is there any evidence that the sunya of mathematics arose out of the 
>>>> sunyata of Mahayana Buddhism?
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>
>>>> Hrtsha
>>>> Harsha V. Dehejia
>>>>
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