Re: [INDOLOGY] Symbols in Śatapatha Brāhmaṇa text

[Harry Spier]

First thank you everyone for this discussion.

1) I've just had a quick look at the first verse of the Rudram, which
is  taittirīya-saṁhitā
book 4 chapter 5 verse 1 and in addition to before  semivowels, sibilants
and h,  it looks like  in taittiriya texts gumkara is sometimes pronounced
before the vowel u and sometimes not?
See these lines from the verse TS 4.5.1

nama'ste a*stu* danv'ane *bā*hubhyā'm *u*ta *te* namaḥ |

vi'jy*aṁ* dhana'ḥ ka*pa*rdi*no* viśa'l*yo* baṇa'vā(gum) *u*ta |

*u*bhābyā'm *u*ta *te* namo' *bā*hu*bhyā*ṁ ta*va* dhanva'ne |


2) I've also listened to some recordings I have of taittirīya priests from
Satara, Maharashtra, reciting.
When they chant gaṇānām tvā gaṇapatim havāmahe as the introductory line to g
aṇapati-atharvaśīrṣa-stotram, they pronounce it without the gumkara as: gaṇānām
tvā gaṇapatiṁ havāmahe but when they recite the same line as an
introductory line to the taittirīya rudram, they do pronounce the gumkara.
They chant:   gaṇānām tvā gaṇapati*gum* havāmahe . When these same priests
recite the bhagavadgītā they pronounce anusvara in the non-vedic way
without gumkara anywhere.
Thanks,
Harry Spier


On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 3:14 AM Walter Slaje <walter.slaje at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Harry Spier,
>
> according to my limited knowledge, Vājasaneyins pronounce(d) Anunāsika
> before semi-vowels, sibilants and h as "*ṅg*", represented in writing by
> a special sign (as in your edition): śata*ṃ* śṛṇuyāma → "śata*ṅg*
> śṛṇuyāma".
> Quite similar to how Germans - in the majority of cases - pronounce French
> nasalizations, e.g. "Karto*ng*" for "carto*n*"
>
> However, the pronunciation when reciting Saṃhitā texts replaces the
> articulation of Anusvāra with a spoken "guṃ". So "tā *guṃ *haitām ..."
> for tā*ṃ* haitām ..."
>
> Your symbol represents an Anusvāra sign in a particular phonetic
> environment.
>
> Vedicists will know better.
>
> Best,
> WS
>
>
> Am Di., 6. Okt. 2020 um 04:02 Uhr schrieb Harry Spier via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info>:
>
>> I pasted an image of a page in the text with the symbols but I've been
>> informed off-list that it didn't showup so I'm attaching it.
>> Thanks,
>> Harry Spier
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 5, 2020 at 5:39 PM Harry Spier <vasishtha.spier at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> First thank you to Lauren Bausch, Steven Lindquest for the information
>>> about the editions and Caley Smith who pointed me to Weber's edition on
>>> archive.org.
>>>
>>> I've just looked at the Weber's printed text .  In the first line  of
>>> the image from the text I've pasted below there are two symbols I don't
>>> understand and have highlighted in red.  I've never seen the first.  The
>>> second looks like avagraha but I'm not clear why it is where it is between
>>> long a and a.
>>>
>>> [image: image.png]
>>> Harry Spier
>>>
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