Re: [INDOLOGY] Symbols in Śatapatha Brāhmaṇa text

[Walter Slaje]

This is a simple case of vedic sandhi, which everyone could easily look up
themselves in any grammar:


-*ān* before vowels is replaced by → *ā* (= *ā*+Anunāsika)

So,* sárgān iva* results in *sárgā*** *i**va* (= *sárgā*[+ Anunāsika] *iva*
)



A glance into the Padapāṭha of your quote shows that „baṇa'vā(gum)“
actually terminates in –*vān*, not in –*m* (as in the cited cases of –
*bhyām*). The present *n*-sound is replaced by Anunāsika before the initial *u-
*of *uta*, hence the „*gum*“ of the reciters.



Regards,

WS

Am Do., 8. Okt. 2020 um 03:50 Uhr schrieb Harry Spier via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info>:

> First thank you everyone for this discussion.
>
> 1) I've just had a quick look at the first verse of the Rudram, which is  taittirīya-saṁhitā
> book 4 chapter 5 verse 1 and in addition to before  semivowels, sibilants
> and h,  it looks like  in taittiriya texts gumkara is sometimes pronounced
> before the vowel u and sometimes not?
> See these lines from the verse TS 4.5.1
>
> nama'ste a*stu* danv'ane *bā*hubhyā'm *u*ta *te* namaḥ |
>
> vi'jy*aṁ* dhana'ḥ ka*pa*rdi*no* viśa'l*yo* baṇa'vā(gum) *u*ta |
>
> *u*bhābyā'm *u*ta *te* namo' *bā*hu*bhyā*ṁ ta*va* dhanva'ne |
>
>
> 2) I've also listened to some recordings I have of taittirīya priests from
> Satara, Maharashtra, reciting.
> When they chant gaṇānām tvā gaṇapatim havāmahe as the introductory line
> to gaṇapati-atharvaśīrṣa-stotram, they pronounce it without the gumkara
> as: gaṇānām tvā gaṇapatiṁ havāmahe but when they recite the same line as
> an introductory line to the taittirīya rudram, they do pronounce the
> gumkara. They chant:   gaṇānām tvā gaṇapati*gum* havāmahe . When these
> same priests recite the bhagavadgītā they pronounce anusvara in the
> non-vedic way without gumkara anywhere.
> Thanks,
> Harry Spier
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 3:14 AM Walter Slaje <walter.slaje at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Dear Harry Spier,
>>
>> according to my limited knowledge, Vājasaneyins pronounce(d) Anunāsika
>> before semi-vowels, sibilants and h as "*ṅg*", represented in writing by
>> a special sign (as in your edition): śata*ṃ* śṛṇuyāma → "śata*ṅg*
>> śṛṇuyāma".
>> Quite similar to how Germans - in the majority of cases - pronounce
>> French nasalizations, e.g. "Karto*ng*" for "carto*n*"
>>
>> However, the pronunciation when reciting Saṃhitā texts replaces the
>> articulation of Anusvāra with a spoken "guṃ". So "tā *guṃ *haitām ..."
>> for tā*ṃ* haitām ..."
>>
>> Your symbol represents an Anusvāra sign in a particular phonetic
>> environment.
>>
>> Vedicists will know better.
>>
>> Best,
>> WS
>>
>>
>> Am Di., 6. Okt. 2020 um 04:02 Uhr schrieb Harry Spier via INDOLOGY <
>> indology at list.indology.info>:
>>
>>> I pasted an image of a page in the text with the symbols but I've been
>>> informed off-list that it didn't showup so I'm attaching it.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Harry Spier
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 5, 2020 at 5:39 PM Harry Spier <vasishtha.spier at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> First thank you to Lauren Bausch, Steven Lindquest for the information
>>>> about the editions and Caley Smith who pointed me to Weber's edition on
>>>> archive.org.
>>>>
>>>> I've just looked at the Weber's printed text .  In the first line  of
>>>> the image from the text I've pasted below there are two symbols I don't
>>>> understand and have highlighted in red.  I've never seen the first.  The
>>>> second looks like avagraha but I'm not clear why it is where it is between
>>>> long a and a.
>>>>
>>>> [image: image.png]
>>>> Harry Spier
>>>>
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