Re: [INDOLOGY] Saṃmatu

[Dániel Balogh]

Dear Martin, have you considered the possibility that the sign you read as
u at the end is A) in fact a virāma; or B) a scribal error for what was
meant to be a virāma? Given that it is a north Indian manuscript, a
Telugu-ish ending seems unlikely as you say. I am sure I have seen "saṃvat"
written (on a copper plate in Nagari) with a virāma that looked very much
like an u. I have no particular recollection of ever seeing saṃmat instead
of saṃvat, but it saṃmat would not be a strange development.
Daniel

On Fri, 3 Jul 2020 at 09:51, Martin Gansten via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Yes, I drew the same conclusion. I would still be interested to know
> whether other have seen the particular form/error *saṃmatu*, though, and
> whether it does suggest a particular regional origin.
>
> Martin
>
>
> Den 2020-07-03 kl. 09:43, skrev Nagaraj Paturi:
>
> It is possible that
>
> इति श्री उत्तरकॉड सम्पूरण मसतु सुभमसुत ॥ संमतु ॥ 1860 ॥
>
> is the regionalization plus scribal errors for
>
> इति श्री उत्तरकांड सम्पूर्णमस्तु शुभमस्तु ॥ संवत्‌॥ 1860 ॥
>
> whatever is the region of the scribe or the scribe of the original from
> where this scribe is copying.
>
> On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 12:33 PM Martin Gansten <martingansten at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you, Nagaraj. The manuscript in question is in Devanagari and
>> belongs, according to the label, to the Lal Chand library at DAV College,
>> Chandigarh, so I doubt if the scribe was a South Indian. I may add that it
>> is a few centuries old, dated 1644 CE, though the label says सं १९०१ (for
>> १७०१) by mistake.
>>
>> A web search for संमतु turns up a very limited number of hits, but the
>> first one is similar in context to 'my' manuscript:
>>  इति श्री उत्तरकॉड सम्पूरण मसतु सुभमसुत ॥ संमतु ॥ 1860 ॥ मिती पौछ की
>> इकादसी थित। वार शुकर ॥
>> This is from a book entitled भारतीय भाषाओं में रामकथा (पंजाबी भाषा), so
>> perhaps we are looking at a northwestern rather than a southern phenomenon?
>>
>> Martin
>>
>>
>> Den 2020-07-03 kl. 00:57, skrev Nagaraj Paturi:
>>
>> Halanta words changing into ajanta words during borrowing is typically a
>> feature of South Indian languages. That ending vowel being u is typically a
>> Telugu feature.
>>
>> Samvat is pronounced as close to Samvatu with the lat vowel being nearlly
>> u in Telugu and some other south Indian languages.
>>
>> But Samvatu changing into Sammati is uncommon in educated pronunciation.
>> But possible in the case of a scribe being rustic.
>>
>> Possible in a Telugu inscription or manuscript.
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 2, 2020, 6:38 PM Martin Gansten via INDOLOGY <
>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>
>>> I just encountered the word *saṃmatu *at the end of a (Sanskrit
>>> Devanagari) manuscript where I would have expected *saṃvat*. I haven't
>>> seen it before and wonder if colleagues have -- perhaps it is a NIA form?
>>>
>>> Best wishes,
>>> Martin Gansten
>>>
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> Nagaraj Paturi
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> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies,
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