Re: [INDOLOGY] Source of the post-position ने in Hindi

[Madhav Deshpande]

Thanks, Andrey, for the reference to this book.

Madhav

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]


On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 2:08 AM Andrey Klebanov via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Additional bibliographic reference that has not been mentioned yet is
> this:  http://tiny.cc/g0rxmz
> ने is treated from different points of view there. I have no access to the
> publication right now — and google allows me to read only the Introduction
> —  so I cannot report what it is saying exactly.
>
>
> best,
> Andrey
> On 13. Apr 2020, 16:40 +0900, Dick Plukker via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info>, wrote:
>
> Thomas Oberlies, *A Historical Grammar of Hindi* (2005:29), wisely
> refrains from giving an etymological explanation for the Hindi postposition
> ने. In note 8 he refers to L.A. Schwarzschild, Collected Articles
> (1991:93), who "surmises that the Prakrit/Apabhramsha postposition तणय-  is
> continued by Hindi and Gujarati ने and Marathi नें/निं."
>
> S.H. Kellogg, *A Grammar of the Hindi language*, repr. 1965, p. 131-2,
> shows with a number of arguments - the main of which is the fact that "
> *ne* cannot be traced back further than two or three hunderd years" -
> that this postposition cannot be related to the Sanskrit instrumental -
> *ena.* His conclusion: "... we are thus at once led to connect it, like
> the *nai, nai_n*, and *ná*, which in some Western Hindi dialects are
> substitued for *ko*, - through the Naipali *le*, with the root *lag*; the
> order of the derivation being as follows: Sk. past. part.act. *lagya*,
> Pr. *laggio*, H. *lagi, lai, le , ne*."
>
> It seems that the final word on the origin of *ne* has not yet been
> spoken.
>
> Stay safe.
>
> Dick Plukker
> Amsterdam
>
> Op 12-4-2020 om 19:15 schreef Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY:
>
> To me, it is clear that there is no direct link between the Sanskrit
> instrumental -ena and Modern Marathi forms like देवाने.  Old Marathi has
> देवें, and at some point -ने in singular and -नी in plural emerge.  It is
> unlikely that Marathi would be reverting directly to Sanskrit in this late
> phase.  The old Marathi inscription has चामुंडरायें करवियले, where Modern
> Marathi would have चामुंडरायाने करविले.  G. V. Tulpule in his यादवकालीन
> मराठी भाषा provides many forms that have a similar ending, i.e गंगराजें,
> दंडनाकें, सावंतें etc. and the plural forms like गुरवी, पंडितीँ, म्हाइंभटीं
> etc.  The endings that appear in Modern Marathi are not there in the
> Marathi of the Yadava period.  But ज्ञानेश्वरी has a few forms like तेणे
> and जेणे and देवाचेनि, indicating that the endings ने/नि do exist at least
> marginally in Old Marathi.  Some have connected this to the influence of
> Kannada in the neighborhood.  However, the endings -ने/नी are to be seen in
> the Marathi of the Peshwa period and then they continue into Modern
> Marathi.
>
> Madhav M. Deshpande
> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>
> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 9:06 AM Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh at umich.edu> wrote:
>
>> Dear Indologists,
>>
>>      What is the historical source for the post-position ने in Hindi and
>> ने/नी  in Marathi?  I see some folks connect this directly with the
>> instrumental ending -एन, as in फलेन.  At least in Marathi, I noticed Jules
>> Bloch saying this this -एन simply becomes एं, as in देवें केले in Old
>> Marathi.  But then what is the source of देवाने/देवांनी  in Modern Marathi
>> and ने in राम ने?  Any suggestions?
>>
>> Madhav M. Deshpande
>> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
>> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
>> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>>
>> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
>>
>
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