Re: [INDOLOGY] Source of the post-position ने in Hindi

[Madhav Deshpande]

Thanks, Dick, for these references.  Kellogg's observation goes in line
with mine that the ने/नी begin to appear in Marathi largely during the
Shivaji-Peshwa period.  However, an occasional use of the forms जेणे/तेणे
is seen in Jñāneśvarī.  In his famous Pasāyadāna, Jñāneśvara uses तेणें
वरें ज्ञानदेवो सुखिया झाला, where the form तेणें coordinates with वरें, the
latter being the more standard form for the period.  Best,

Madhav

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]


On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 12:41 AM Dick Plukker via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Thomas Oberlies, *A Historical Grammar of Hindi* (2005:29), wisely
> refrains from giving an etymological explanation for the Hindi postposition
> ने. In note 8 he refers to L.A. Schwarzschild, Collected Articles
> (1991:93), who "surmises that the Prakrit/Apabhramsha postposition तणय-  is
> continued by Hindi and Gujarati ने and Marathi नें/निं."
>
> S.H. Kellogg, *A Grammar of the Hindi language*, repr. 1965, p. 131-2,
> shows with a number of arguments - the main of which is the fact that "
> *ne* cannot be traced back further than two or three hunderd years" -
> that this postposition cannot be related to the Sanskrit instrumental -*ena.
> *His conclusion: "... we are thus at once led to connect it, like the *nai,
> nai_n*, and *ná*, which in some Western Hindi dialects are substitued for
> *ko*, - through the Naipali *le*, with the root *lag*; the order of the
> derivation being as follows: Sk. past. part.act. *lagya*, Pr. *laggio*,
> H. *lagi, lai, le , ne*."
>
> It seems that the final word on the origin of *ne* has not yet been
> spoken.
>
> Stay safe.
>
> Dick Plukker
> Amsterdam
>
> Op 12-4-2020 om 19:15 schreef Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY:
>
> To me, it is clear that there is no direct link between the Sanskrit
> instrumental -ena and Modern Marathi forms like देवाने.  Old Marathi has
> देवें, and at some point -ने in singular and -नी in plural emerge.  It is
> unlikely that Marathi would be reverting directly to Sanskrit in this late
> phase.  The old Marathi inscription has चामुंडरायें करवियले, where Modern
> Marathi would have चामुंडरायाने करविले.  G. V. Tulpule in his यादवकालीन
> मराठी भाषा provides many forms that have a similar ending, i.e गंगराजें,
> दंडनाकें, सावंतें etc. and the plural forms like गुरवीं, पंडितीँ,
> म्हाइंभटीं etc.  The endings that appear in Modern Marathi are not there in
> the Marathi of the Yadava period.  But ज्ञानेश्वरी has a few forms like
> तेणे and जेणे and देवाचेनि, indicating that the endings ने/नि do exist at
> least marginally in Old Marathi.  Some have connected this to the influence
> of Kannada in the neighborhood.  However, the endings -ने/नी are to be seen
> in the Marathi of the Peshwa period and then they continue into Modern
> Marathi.
>
> Madhav M. Deshpande
> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>
> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 9:06 AM Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh at umich.edu> wrote:
>
>> Dear Indologists,
>>
>>      What is the historical source for the post-position ने in Hindi and
>> ने/नी  in Marathi?  I see some folks connect this directly with the
>> instrumental ending -एन, as in फलेन.  At least in Marathi, I noticed Jules
>> Bloch saying this this -एन simply becomes एं, as in देवें केले in Old
>> Marathi.  But then what is the source of देवाने/देवांनी  in Modern Marathi
>> and ने in राम ने?  Any suggestions?
>>
>> Madhav M. Deshpande
>> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
>> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
>> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>>
>> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
>>
>
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