[INDOLOGY] Tamil proverb?

[Nagaraj Paturi]

Some Tamil proverbs with S'ani:


பொங்க சனி செல்வத்தைப் பொங்கச் செய்யும்.

பொங்கு சனி போய் மங்கு சனி வந்தது; மங்கு சனி போய்

கொங்கு சனி வந்தது.

பொங்கும் சனி; மங்கும் சனி.

On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 5:31 PM Tieken, H.J.H. via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Dear Martin, an afterthought: I had a look at the Cre-A Dictionary of
> Tamil, s.v. caṉiyaṉ, (a caṉi-like person) "a term of abuse used when sth.
> or s.o. is considered troublesome or unwelcome; an expression conveying
> impatience." But, again, no proverb.
> Herman
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> Van: INDOLOGY [indology-bounces at list.indology.info] namens Martin Gansten
> via INDOLOGY [indology at list.indology.info]
> Verzonden: donderdag 29 augustus 2019 13:02
> Aan: indology at list.indology.info
> Onderwerp: Re: [INDOLOGY] Tamil proverb?
>
> Thank you for this -- but no, there was no implicit question intended: I
> was simply interested in having the existence of this expression
> confirmed and learning how widespread it might be.
>
> Best wishes,
> Martin G.
>
> Den 2019-08-29 kl. 12:25, skrev Jean-Luc Chevillard via INDOLOGY:
> > If the implicit question is whether there are in the 21st century
> > people in Tamil Nadu who believe in the influence of planets, the
> > answer is probably yes, but I do not know how this compares with the
> > same belief in other parts of India or other parts of the world
> >
> > If the question is whether one can find traces of such beliefs in
> > ancient Tamil literature, part of the answer might be that the
> > earliest reference to a list of planet names is seen in the Tēvāram
> >
> > See the well-known hymn Tēvāram 2:85
> > which starts with:
> >
> > வேய் உறு தோளி பங்கன், விடம் உண்ட கண்டன், மிக நல்ல வீணை தடவி,
> > மாசு அறு திங்கள் கங்கை முடிமேல் அணிந்து, என் உளமே புகுந்தஅதனால்---
> > ஞாயிறு, திங்கள், செவ்வாய், புதன், வியாழம், வெள்ளி, சனி, பாம்புஇரண்டும்,
> உடனே
> > ஆசு அறும்; நல்லநல்ல; அவை நல்லநல்ல, அடியார்அவர்க்கு மிகவே.
> >
> > You can see சனி in the second line
> >
> > There does not seem to be references to  சனி in the older layer of
> > Tamil literature (as described in 3 volumes /Index des mots de la
> > literature tamoule ancienne/ Institut Français d'Indologie,
> > Pondichéry, 1967-1970)
> >
> > One should also mention (in connection with சனி) the well-known temple
> > described in
> >
> > https://ta.wikipedia.org/s/puf
> >
> > I hope this is useful
> >
> > -- Jean-Luc Chevillard
> >
> > https://twitter.com/JLC1956
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 29/08/2019 10:45, Martin Gansten via INDOLOGY wrote:
> >> In an Indian astrological journal from 1963 (/Astrology and Athrishta
> >> /[= /adṛṣṭa/] 1.2), I read:
> >>
> >>> Have we not heard the usual proverb "Aye! that fellow has Saturn in
> >>> the tongue? Vakkil-Sani. Ever he predicts evil and never he fails.)
> >>
> >> Are any list members familiar with such a proverb/expression? I have
> >> not seen it referred to anywhere else, but then Tamil isn't one of my
> >> languages.
> >>
> >> Best wishes,
> >> Martin Gansten
> >>
> >>
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-- 
Nagaraj Paturi

Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.


Director,  Inter-Gurukula-University Centre for Indic Knowledge Systems.
BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra

BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala

Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies

FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,

(Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )


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