[INDOLOGY] Tamil proverb?

[Tieken, H.J.H.]

In Parthasarathy's translation of the Cilappatikāram, on p. 98 it reads "Even if Śani (Tamil caṉi)/Fumes and comets blaze ..." But then, the Cilappatikāram does not belong to the so-called older layers of Tamil literature (pace Tieken, 2001/2017 reprint).


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Van: INDOLOGY [indology-bounces at list.indology.info] namens Jean-Luc Chevillard via INDOLOGY [indology at list.indology.info]
Verzonden: donderdag 29 augustus 2019 12:25
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Onderwerp: Re: [INDOLOGY] Tamil proverb?

If the implicit question is whether there are in the 21st century people
in Tamil Nadu who believe in the influence of planets, the answer is
probably yes, but I do not know how this compares with the same belief
in other parts of India or other parts of the world

If the question is whether one can find traces of such beliefs in
ancient Tamil literature, part of the answer might be that the earliest
reference to a list of planet names is seen in the Tēvāram

See the well-known hymn Tēvāram 2:85
which starts with:

வேய் உறு தோளி பங்கன், விடம் உண்ட கண்டன், மிக நல்ல வீணை தடவி,
மாசு அறு திங்கள் கங்கை முடிமேல் அணிந்து, என் உளமே புகுந்தஅதனால்---
ஞாயிறு, திங்கள், செவ்வாய், புதன், வியாழம், வெள்ளி, சனி, பாம்புஇரண்டும், உடனே
ஆசு அறும்; நல்லநல்ல; அவை நல்லநல்ல, அடியார்அவர்க்கு மிகவே.

You can see சனி in the second line

There does not seem to be references to  சனி in the older layer of Tamil
literature (as described in 3 volumes /Index des mots de la literature
tamoule ancienne/ Institut Français d'Indologie, Pondichéry, 1967-1970)

One should also mention (in connection with சனி) the well-known temple
described in

https://ta.wikipedia.org/s/puf

I hope this is useful

-- Jean-Luc Chevillard

https://twitter.com/JLC1956





On 29/08/2019 10:45, Martin Gansten via INDOLOGY wrote:
> In an Indian astrological journal from 1963 (/Astrology and Athrishta
> /[= /adṛṣṭa/] 1.2), I read:
>
>> Have we not heard the usual proverb "Aye! that fellow has Saturn in
>> the tongue? Vakkil-Sani. Ever he predicts evil and never he fails.)
>
> Are any list members familiar with such a proverb/expression? I have not
> seen it referred to anywhere else, but then Tamil isn't one of my languages.
>
> Best wishes,
> Martin Gansten
>
>
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