[INDOLOGY] Joydeep Bagchee's membership to INDOLOGY

Thu Apr 18 08:27:56 UTC 2019

I unreservedly second what Arlo has spoken out in explicit terms.

After all, as its name suggests, the "Indology List" is, and should remain,
a scholarly forum concentrating on research questions pertaining to
cultural aspects of India.
Whoever wants to shift their research activities to Indologists and their
private affairs is kindly invited to subscribe to, or establish an,
independent sociological discussion forum ("Indologists List"), where
methods adequate to the social sciences are mastered and applied. It is
certainly not possible to carry out serious research into the American
academia or to make reasoned statements about them and their institutions
by applying Indological methods, the only ones the great majority on this
list has been trained in. In the absence of proper methodology, all
accusations and lamentations put forward in this forum are nothing but vain
chatter, gossip and insinuation, something we gladly forgo. It engenders
suspicion of hubris when Indologists despite their lack of proper academic
training in the respective fields publicly perform the business of other
disciplines and mime the state prosecutor.

Regards,
WS

Am Do., 18. Apr. 2019 um 08:32 Uhr schrieb Arlo Griffiths via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info>:

> Dear colleagues,
>
> I have no qualms in expressing my support to the committee's decision.
>
> When we walk in our orchard and see our gardener cut out dead wood or even
> parasites from our fruit-bearing trees, we do not reprimand him — or her!
> — for taking retrograde steps.
>
> Arlo Griffiths
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of
> Richard Mahoney | Indica et Buddhica via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 17, 2019 9:56 PM
> *To:* Simon Brodbeck; indology at list.indology.info
> *Subject:* Re: [INDOLOGY] Joydeep Bagchee's membership to INDOLOGY
>
> Dear Colleagues,
>
> It would be good to think that the upshot of recent discussions was a
> move towards greater openness and diversity. Unfortunately, I can't
> see this recent decision by the committee as anything but retrograde.
>
> With kind regards, Richard
>
>
>
> --
>
> Richard Mahoney | Indica et Buddhica
>
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>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> *Date*: Wed, 17 Apr 2019 16:54:36 +0000
> *Subject*: Re: [INDOLOGY] Joydeep Bagchee's membership to INDOLOGY
> *To*: indology at list.indology.info <indology at list.indology.info
> <%22indology at list.indology.info%22%20%3cindology at list.indology.info%3e>>
> Reply-to: Simon Brodbeck <BrodbeckSP at cardiff.ac.uk>
> *From*: Simon Brodbeck via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info
> <Simon%20Brodbeck%20via%20INDOLOGY%20%3cindology at list.indology.info%3e>>
>
> Dear Philipp,
>
>
>
> I object to this move. Bagchee’s post was interesting and very much to the
> point of our recent discussion, and I think the main way one could find it
> defamatory would be by confusing correlation with causation. To those who
> have witnessed this forum over a period of several years, the idea that the
> committee had “no choice but to remove Joydeep Bagchee permanently from
> the list” may seem far-fetched. Not only will progress in matters of
> gender equality not be made by the committee proceeding in this way, but
> the committee may be seen to be actively hindering the making of such
> progress. I may be wrong, but I cannot help but suspect that Bagchee’s
> previous contributions, which have been famously abominated by some on this
> list, may have prejudiced the committee against him and caused it to
> overreact in this instance. One might also wonder whether the committee’s
> decision is somehow connected to its current male to female ratio (4:1
> following the unfortunate resignation of Dr Truschke).
>
>
>
> Yours collegially,
>
> Simon Brodbeck
>
> Cardiff University
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------
>
> *From:* INDOLOGY [mailto:indology-bounces at list.indology.info
> <indology-bounces at list.indology.info>] *On Behalf Of *Philipp Maas via
> INDOLOGY
> *Sent:* 17 April 2019 08:46
> *To:* Indology <indology at list.indology.info>
> *Cc:* jbagchee at gmail.com; Indology Committee <
> indology-owner at list.indology.info>
> *Subject:* [INDOLOGY] Joydeep Bagchee's membership to INDOLOGY
>
>
>
> Dear Members of INDOLOGY,
>
> The post that Joydeep Bagchee sent to this list on 16 April under the
> header “Re: [INDOLOGY] Response to Shrinivasa Varakhedi” severely violates
> the rules for usage of the INDOLOGY list, which state that “In particular,
> personal attacks of an ad-hominem nature, rude language, and off-topic
> postings are violations of the list rules. The definition and understanding
> of what constitutes improper use of the forum shall be a matter for the
> Governing Committee. [...] The Governing Committee may penalize personal
> attacks or defamatory speech directed against other list members with a
> temporary or permanent removal from the list.“ (
> http://www.indology.info/email/email-const/
> <https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.indology.info%2Femail%2Femail-const%2F&data=01%7C01%7Cbrodbecksp%40cardiff.ac.uk%7C9a380a5158314ac3d7e108d6c308f0a3%7Cbdb74b3095684856bdbf06759778fcbc%7C1&sdata=Pl1zSNFXAUu0RYlXM7yHiKFE8UsfKjOcS5Yxw7WfgBw%3D&reserved=0>
> ).
>
>
>
> The above mentioned severe violation of the Guidelines left the INDOLOGY
> Governing Committee with no choice but to remove Joydeep Bagchee
> permanently from the list.
>
>
>
> With best regards,
>
>
>
> Philipp Maas
>
>
>
> Governing Committee Member on duty
>
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>
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