[INDOLOGY] Joydeep Bagchee's membership to INDOLOGY

Arlo Griffiths arlogriffiths at hotmail.com
Thu Apr 18 06:32:03 UTC 2019

Dear colleagues,

I have no qualms in expressing my support to the committee's decision.

When we walk in our orchard and see our gardener cut out dead wood or even parasites from our fruit-bearing trees, we do not reprimand him — or her! — for taking retrograde steps.

Arlo Griffiths

From: INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of Richard Mahoney | Indica et Buddhica via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 9:56 PM
To: Simon Brodbeck; indology at list.indology.info
Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Joydeep Bagchee's membership to INDOLOGY

Dear Colleagues,

It would be good to think that the upshot of recent discussions was a
move towards greater openness and diversity. Unfortunately, I can't
see this recent decision by the committee as anything but retrograde.

With kind regards, Richard


Richard Mahoney | Indica et Buddhica

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Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2019 16:54:36 +0000
Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Joydeep Bagchee's membership to INDOLOGY
To: indology at list.indology.info <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:%22indology at list.indology.info%22%20%3cindology at list.indology.info%3e>>
Reply-to: Simon Brodbeck <BrodbeckSP at cardiff.ac.uk>
From: Simon Brodbeck via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:Simon%20Brodbeck%20via%20INDOLOGY%20%3cindology at list.indology.info%3e>>

Dear Philipp,

I object to this move. Bagchee’s post was interesting and very much to the point of our recent discussion, and I think the main way one could find it defamatory would be by confusing correlation with causation. To those who have witnessed this forum over a period of several years, the idea that the committee had “no choice but to remove Joydeep Bagchee permanently from the list” may seem far-fetched. Not only will progress in matters of gender equality not be made by the committee proceeding in this way, but the committee may be seen to be actively hindering the making of such progress. I may be wrong, but I cannot help but suspect that Bagchee’s previous contributions, which have been famously abominated by some on this list, may have prejudiced the committee against him and caused it to overreact in this instance. One might also wonder whether the committee’s decision is somehow connected to its current male to female ratio (4:1 following the unfortunate resignation of Dr Truschke).

Yours collegially,

Simon Brodbeck

Cardiff University


From: INDOLOGY [mailto:indology-bounces at list.indology.info] On Behalf Of Philipp Maas via INDOLOGY
Sent: 17 April 2019 08:46
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Subject: [INDOLOGY] Joydeep Bagchee's membership to INDOLOGY

Dear Members of INDOLOGY,

The post that Joydeep Bagchee sent to this list on 16 April under the header “Re: [INDOLOGY] Response to Shrinivasa Varakhedi” severely violates the rules for usage of the INDOLOGY list, which state that “In particular, personal attacks of an ad-hominem nature, rude language, and off-topic postings are violations of the list rules. The definition and understanding of what constitutes improper use of the forum shall be a matter for the Governing Committee. [...] The Governing Committee may penalize personal attacks or defamatory speech directed against other list members with a temporary or permanent removal from the list.“ (http://www.indology.info/email/email-const/<https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.indology.info%2Femail%2Femail-const%2F&data=01%7C01%7Cbrodbecksp%40cardiff.ac.uk%7C9a380a5158314ac3d7e108d6c308f0a3%7Cbdb74b3095684856bdbf06759778fcbc%7C1&sdata=Pl1zSNFXAUu0RYlXM7yHiKFE8UsfKjOcS5Yxw7WfgBw%3D&reserved=0>).

The above mentioned severe violation of the Guidelines left the INDOLOGY Governing Committee with no choice but to remove Joydeep Bagchee permanently from the list.

With best regards,

Philipp Maas

Governing Committee Member on duty


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