[INDOLOGY] Scientification in India

Tue Sep 11 11:11:55 UTC 2018

Obrigado!
This one was missing in my collection.
Several mentions and discussions of the alleged parallelism
Euclid:Europe is appr. Panini:(classical) India exist, in French (by  the
brilliant German indologist August Wilhelm von Schlegel 1832), in Dutch
(Staal 1963) and English (Ingalls, Staal, Bronkhorst), but I believe I am
the first to have made these observations, whether one wants to agree with
them or modify or reject them, accessible in Sanskrit -- fair enough, after
ca. 250 years of excluding Sanskrit pandits from our discussions and
"siddhāntas" about them:
https://www.academia.edu/5066874
भारतीयपश्चिममण्डलयोः शास्त्ररीतिविषय आत्मभेदो वा संतोलनभेदो वा वर्तते । तथा
ह्याह रुद्यर्द् किप्लिङ् । प्राची हि प्राची पश्चिमा च पश्चिमेति (टिप. 16) ।
अत्र मम श्लोकस्य उपन्यासः ।
आत्मभेदस्तयोरस्ति  मन्यन्ते किप्लिङादयः ।
संतोलनात्मको भेद  इङ्गल्स्-स्ताल्-भ्यां तु दृश्यते ॥
Basic ethics in *modern* anthropology, not necessarily in 19th cent.
anthropology and indology, requires that "objects" of our research should
get a chance to give their own feedback on our conclusions (and, obviously,
in their own preferred language).
Cheers,
JH

On Tue, 11 Sep 2018 at 11:43, Antonio Ferreira-Jardim <
antonio.jardim at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Prof Houben,
>
> Please find a pdf here: http://eprints.nias.res.in/435/
>
> Long live D(e)utch Indology!
>
> Kind regards,
> Antonio
>
>
>
> On Tue., 11 Sep. 2018, 7:38 pm Jan E.M. Houben via INDOLOGY, <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>> Dear Axel,
>> I look forward to the final version of your contribution of which I heard
>> a fascinating presentation in Delhi in November 2015. As you know, Frits
>> Staal first expanded the concept of "science" beyond the narrow confines of
>> "natural sciences" in order not just to include "human sciences" but also
>> to go beyond the division between these and the natural sciences; next he
>> showed how "India" contributed, at an early date, significantly and
>> foremost to this "science" in a broadened sense, esp. to ritual science and
>> linguistic science. Current "scientifications" as in the mentioned
>> brochure, however, neglect India's contributions in ritual science (kalpa)
>> and linguistic science (grammar, vyakarana) except for marginally
>> mentioning phonetics: taking the narrow concept of "(natural, including, at
>> the most, medical) science" as main reference point they make every effort
>> to find "relevant" statements in ancient Indian literature (for Ayurveda
>> only Sanskrit texts are considered, Siddha texts in Tamil are neglected;
>> for other knowledge systems I am not aware of serious "Dravidian"
>> counterclaims).
>> In this context a question to all list members, does anyone have a scan
>> of Frits Staal's* What Euclid is to Europe, Panini is to India -- or are
>> they?* published in Bangalore, India: National Institute of Advanced
>> Studies, 2005.
>> Best, Jan Houben
>>
>> On Tue, 11 Sep 2018 at 09:33, Michaels, Axel via INDOLOGY <
>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In the course of the recent WSC discussions on this list, Dr Iris Iran
>>> Farkhondeh recently mentioned a little brochure by the RSS: “There was also
>>> this little booklet produced by the RSS (samskrit samsthan and not svayam
>>> sevak even though it seems now that the two RSS are getting nearer and
>>> nearer) with a mention of astrolomy (sic) and all the other sciences that
>>> for sure originated in ancient India.” Unfortunately, she did not keep this
>>> booklet. Since I am co-editing a book on this topic, I would be very
>>> grateful if someone who attended the conference could share the brochure
>>> with me.  I would also be interested in relevant and serious literature
>>> focusing and the wide-spread claim that all science is rooted in India.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Axel Michaels
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Prof. Dr. Axel Michaels
>>>
>>> Seniorprofessor | Vice President Heidelberg Academy of Science and
>>> Humanities |
>>>
>>> Director Research Unit "Historical Documents of Nepal" (नेपालका पूर्व-
>>> आधुनिक कालका लिखतहरू), Heidelberg Academy of Sciences and Humanities
>>>
>>> South Asia Institute
>>> Im Neuenheimer Feld 330
>>> 69120 Heidelberg, Germany
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.haw.uni-heidelberg.de/forschung/forschungsstellen/nepal/index.de.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>> --
>>
>> *Jan E.M. Houben*
>>
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>>
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*Jan E.M. Houben*

Directeur d'Études, Professor of South Asian History and Philology

*Sources et histoire de la tradition sanskrite*

École Pratique des Hautes Études (EPHE, PSL - Université Paris)

*Sciences historiques et philologiques *

54, rue Saint-Jacques, CS 20525 – 75005 Paris

*johannes.houben at ephe.sorbonne.fr <johannes.houben at ephe.sorbonne.fr>*

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