[INDOLOGY] Kashmir Shaiva and 'vernacular' - a question

[Tieken, H.J.H.]

Now I become interested. Apabhraṃśa started its career as a literary language as the language of popular songs sung on the streets (see the dvipadīkhaṇḍa in Harṣa's Ratnāvalī, JESHO, 51 (2008), pp. 355-69). If we had been able to ask the writers of the early literary texts in what we tend to call vernaculars, in what language they were writing they would probably have answered "Apabhraṃśa". In this case, too, we have two answers, namely "vernacular" (Bannerjee) and "Apabhraṃśa" (Spier's informant). Is it possible to see a few examples of the passages concerned?
Herman

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Onderwerp: Re: [INDOLOGY] Kashmir Shaiva and 'vernacular' - a question

I was  told the verses in the tantrasAra are in Apabhramsa.

Harry Spier

On Sat, Dec 1, 2018 at 1:26 PM Artur Karp <karp at uw.edu.pl<mailto:karp at uw.edu.pl>> wrote:
Dear Tatiana, and dear Harry,

Strange, somehow. Your exchange contains no information re the language of the vernacular verses ending each chapter of the "Kaashmira (with short 'i'! - TO) Shaiva works". Should it remain a closely guarded secret?

Greetings from frosty Warszawa,

Artur Karp (ret.)
Chair of South Asian Studies
University of Warsaw
Poland



sob., 1 gru 2018 o 14:52 Harry Spier via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> napisał(a):
Dear Tatiana,

I referenced the KSTS edition of the tantrasAra because this is available online in the Muktabodha digital library as both a digital e-text and a pdf of the original.   I vaguely recall looking at a tantrasAra manuscript about 20 years ago that had  prakrit verses  that were different from those in the KSTS edition.  But that was 20 years ago so I could be mistaken.

Harry Spier

On Sat, Dec 1, 2018 at 2:22 AM tatiana.oranskaia <tatiana.oranskaia at uni-hamburg.de<mailto:tatiana.oranskaia at uni-hamburg.de>> wrote:
Dear Harry,

Thank you ever so much for the tip!

Are they to be found only in the KSTS edition?

Best wishes,
Tatiana
Zitat von Harry Spier <hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com<mailto:hspier.muktabodha at gmail.com>>:

> Dear Tatiana,
>
> You can see this phenomenon in the KSTS edition of the tantrasAra .
>
> Harry Spier
>
> On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 1:56 PM tatiana.oranskaia via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
>
>>
>> Dear colleagues,
>>
>> I would be grateful for an answer to my question related to the following
>> passage in the Introduction by the editor, S.R. Banerjee, to
>> 'PraakRtadhyaaya':
>> "Kaashmira (with short 'i'! - TO) Shaiva works are  almost invariably
>> accompanied
>> with some verses in the vernacular in the end of each chapter." (p.34)
>>
>> What kind of a 'vernacular'/Prakrit is it?
>> Does it show some specific local features?
>>
>> With best wishes,
>> Tatiana Oranskaia
>>
>> --
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>> Asien-Afrika-Institut
>> Universität Hamburg
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>>
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