[INDOLOGY] Sandhi and compound splitting model

[Oliver Hellwig]

Dear Jan,

thanks for pointing out Geldner, his thoughts are always interesting. 
However, I don't see that his comment (and even his redirection to 
7.16.6) is in basic disagreement with the annotation.

Just to make sure: My analysis of the line says: "There's an atomic 
*lexeme* dhAtama in acc. sg. masc., and this lexeme has a word semantic 
annotation of 'giving' in this occurrence." No derivational statement 
implied, and the root dA- is not mentioned at all. How would you 
annotate dhAtama on the meaning level at this place, by the way?

Herzliche Grüße aus Berlin, Oliver


On 29/08/2018 17:29, Jan E.M. Houben wrote:
> Dear Oliver,
> I hope to be able to use the sandhi and word splitter, it will 
> definitely be useful.
> As for RV 1.1.1: in no way does it affect your syntactic analysis 
> which is your main aim, but even in a coarse annotation dA and 
> dhA should not and need not be confounded; in fact, not J&B but, half 
> a century earlier, Geldner showed the way to a more correct 
> interpretation, not in his translation but in his note ad loc...
> Best,
> Jan
>
> On Wed, 29 Aug 2018 at 12:02, Oliver Hellwig <hellwig7 at gmx.de 
> <mailto:hellwig7 at gmx.de>> wrote:
>
>     Dear Jan,
>
>     thanks for the positive feedback on the word splitter. Hope it
>     turns out to be useful for our research community.
>
>     Reg. RV 1.1.1: The analysis does not imply that dhAtama is
>     morphologically derived from dA "to give", although one may get
>     this impression by the term "giving" in that line. "giving" is
>     just a coarse word semantic annotation of dhAtama, which is - it's
>     meant to be coarse! - not too far away from Jamison + Brereton
>     2014 ("most richly conferring treasure"). Same for the English
>     terms (if any) in other lines.
>
>     Best wishes, Oliver
>
>
>     On 29/08/2018 09:58, Jan E.M. Houben wrote:
>>     Dear Oliver,
>>     Congratulations and thanks for sharing again a very useful
>>     research tool.
>>     Also for the tool you shared earlier (see below),
>>     which, incidentally, contains a mistake in the very first line:
>>     1#1#1#2#2ratnadhātamam#2#dhātamam#dhātama###219609#4443604#1#ADJ#3#1#1#_##giving~130047~2
>>     The mistake -- and you are not the only one to make it -- is that
>>     the adjectival word part -dhātama- (you have chosen to neglect
>>     tama, probably consciously) is not derived from dā (cp.
>>     Gk. didoomi "I give, confer") but from dhā (cp. Gk. tithēmi "I
>>     establish").
>>     Herzliche Grüße,
>>     Jan
>>
>>     ***
>>     I would like to announce the release of a full annotation of the
>>     Rigveda
>>     with morphological, lexical and verb-argument information.
>>
>>     Data are stored in a publicly accessible repository at
>>     https://git.adwmainz.net/open/rigveda
>>
>>     Details of the annotation process are described in the LREC
>>     paper, which is
>>     stored at the upper level of the repository.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>     On Wed, 29 Aug 2018 at 07:24, Oliver Hellwig via INDOLOGY
>>     <indology at list.indology.info
>>     <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
>>
>>         Dear all,
>>
>>         Sebastian Nehrdich and I have developed a machine learning
>>         model that
>>         splits Sandhis and compounds in "raw" Sanskrit text.
>>
>>         You find further details, model, code and the data it was
>>         built with
>>         (~600.000 lines of Sanskrit text from the DCS) at
>>         https://github.com/OliverHellwig/sanskrit/tree/master/papers/2018emnlp
>>
>>         The pdf in the github directory contains further technical
>>         information.
>>
>>         If you know researchers who work on this topic and may be
>>         interested in
>>         the model or the data, it would be great if you could forward
>>         this mail
>>         to them.
>>
>>         Oliver
>>
>>         ---
>>         Oliver Hellwig
>>         IVS Zurich / SFB 991, Düsseldorf
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>>     *Jan E.M. Houben*
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