Re: [INDOLOGY] camatkāra

[Joydeep]

Dear Hartmut,


why do you find the focus in *GA* 45 "rather astonishing"? Heidegger
mentions *Erstaunen/Staunen* consistently in his career, e.g., in *2* 229;
*5* 9; *7* 255f; *11* 14, 22f; *12*183f; *13* 74; *15* 331; *29/30* 531;
*35* 265; *45* 155–58, 162–74, 180, 184, 197; *54* 150; *55* 61; *56/57*
 67; *65* 15, 20, 46, 483; *66* 209, 236, 271ff; *71* 25, 222; *73* 593;
*74*47; *75* 205; *77* 37, 157; *78* 84f; *79* 97; *97* 482f. He also
mentions *Verwunderung*, his alternative translation of *thaumazein*, in *2*
 229; *9* 121; *19* 126; *21* 76; *26* 14; *33*83; *45* 157f, 162f, 166;
*55* 234; *62* 95, 308; *66* 273; *77* 163. Behind them is, of course, his
understanding of Greek *thaumzein*, discussed, e.g., in *2* 229; *11* 23;
*15*331; *19* 125f; *45* 155ff, 159, 162f; *56/57* 67; *62* 37f; *73* 593;
*74* 14; *78* 84. (I give the *GA* numbers in bold.) In my view, a
terminological difference between *Erstaunen *and *Verwunderung *cannot be
identified before 1937/38, e.g., in *56/57* (“Staunen und Sich-verwundern”;
earliest reference, 1919!), *62 *(“Bestaunen und Erstauntsein” and “sich
verwundern”), and *26* (“Staunen, Verwunderung”). Except for *54–55*, *66*,
*71*, *77–79*, and *97*, all these volumes precede *45*; *65* is partly
earlier and *5–15 *are collections from 1910–73 (the dates of the articles
differ; I can check these for you—*9* 121, for instance, is 1929, and yet
related to the 1937/38 discussion). Heidegger’s claim that, in its first
beginning, Western philosophy emerged from *Staunen/Verwunderung *has, of
course, in view the celebrated passage in *Theaetetus *155d, but more
germanely, the genealogy of scientific, theoretical comportment that
Aristotle traces in *Met.* A2.982b11–24. Given the continued significance
of *thaumazein* thereafter (and even before, cp. *thauma idesthai *in Emp.
DK 31B35.16–17), I’m not sure the observation, “Naturally, this sphere has
received hardly any independent attention by Western philosophers,” is
correct (accepting, of course, your translation of *camatkāra* by
*Erstaunen/thaumazein*). Heidegger’s analysis that the first beginning of
philosophy in *Staunen* led via *episteme* and *scientia* to modern *ratio *and
his critique of ratiocinative/calculative thinking in technology and the
humanities is, of course, taken up in *The Nay Science* (430–32 and see the
Prologue for an alternative to a merely technical “philology”). Both in the
text you cite and elsewhere (see, e.g., *9* 312 for Heidegger's discussion
of the relationship of philosophy to the sciences), he draws the opposite
conclusion from you: because it arose in *thauma*, i.e., wonder at beings,
Western philosophy ends up in positivism and technicity, rather than
pondering the essence of Being or how "it gives" beings (see *The Nay
Science*, ch. 5 and conclusion).


Best,

Joydeep

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On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 3:38 PM, Hartmut Buescher via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Having thanks to the quick availability of David Shulman's "Notes on
> Camatkāra"
>
> been able to go through the article, I noticed that, although *en passant*
> touching on
>
> the meaning of this term in the philosophical system of Pratyabhijñā, he
> predominantly
>
> concentrates on its originally (thanks to Abhinavagupta) not altogether
> unrelated
>
> employment in later *alaṅkāra* contexts. For the sake of scholars with a
> considerable
>
> interest in comparative philosophy, such as Matthew Kapstein (who
> requested a pdf
>
> of the article in the present context), it may be remarked that the most
> important
>
> reference provided in *Tāntrikābhidhānakośa* II: 231 under the lemma
> *camatk**āra* is
>
> actually to note 23 of Prof. Torella's *The **Īśvarapratyabhij*
> *ñākārikā of Utpaladeva *
>
> *with the** Author's Vṛtti* (1994: 118f.).
>
> Unfortunately, Shulman does not display any awareness of Torella's
> masterful work.
>
> In the context of Utpaladeva's Pratyabhijñā philosophy *camatk**āra*, as
> Torella explains,
>
> has a profound significance in connection with realizing/re-cognizing
> one's Self,
>
> one that "goes beyond that relative and momentary transcendence that one
> has in
>
> the aesthetic experience of poetry and the theatre" (*ibid*.). He
> provides a number
>
> of adumbrative terms, introducing these by saying "[t]he terms with which
> it is
>
> glossed or with which it is closely related may be grouped according to
> its principal
>
> components: cognition, bliss, wonder."
>
>
> Given Matthew's primary field, let me add that *camatk**āra* in the
> Pratyabhijñā context
>
> closely resembles that of *ṅo mtshar* as employed by Kloṅ chen pa and
> other
>
> rDzogs chen philosopher in the Tibetan context.
>
> Aware of the largely common geographical origin of modes of thinking that
>
> subsequently was turned into parallel systematic philosophical
> developments,
>
> this may not be altogether surprising.
>
>
> Naturally, this sphere has received hardly any independent attention
>
> by Western philosophers. Yet, there actually is a rather astonishing focus
>
> in one of Heidegger's works. In volume 45
>
> *Grundfragen der Philosophie. Ausgewählte "Probleme" der "Logik" *
>
> of Martin Heidegger, *Gesamtausgabe*, (II. Abteilung: Vorlesungen
> 1925-1944),
>
> those interested in this ontologically attuned aesthetico-phenomenological
> context
>
> will find a long § 38 with 15 subsections (pp. 165-181) titled:
>
> "Das Wesen des Er-staunens als der in die Notwendigkeit des anfänglichen
> Denkens
>
> nötigenden Grundstimmung".
>
>
>
> Best wishes,
>
>
>
> Hartmut Buescher
>
> .
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 6:49 PM, Matthew Kapstein via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>> Thanks to all who have responded. The wonderful Indologists have so far
>> sent me one copy for each of the three eyes of Śiva!
>> Camatkāra indeed!
>>
>> Matthew
>>
>> Matthew Kapstein
>> Directeur d'études,
>> Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes
>>
>> Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies,
>> The University of Chicago
>>
>> ________________________________________
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>> Matthew Kapstein via INDOLOGY [indology at list.indology.info]
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 10:26 AM
>> To: Harry Spier; Asko Parpola
>> Cc: <indology at list.indology.info>
>> Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] camatkāra
>>
>> Is a PDF of the article available?
>>
>> Matthew T. Kapstein
>> EPHE, Paris
>> The University of Chicago
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of Asko
>> Parpola via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 7:40:15 AM
>> To: Harry Spier
>> Cc: <indology at list.indology.info>
>> Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] camatkāra
>>
>> Shulman, David, 2010. Notes on Camatkāra. Pp. 249-276 in: David Shulman
>> (ed.), Language, ritual and poetics in ancienty India and Iran. Jerusalem:
>> Israel Academy of Sciences and Humanities.
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 3:56 AM, Harry Spier via INDOLOGY <
>> indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
>> Dear Raffaele,
>>
>> If you do a search of the Muktabodha digital library e-text collection.
>> http://muktalib5.org/digital_library_secure_entry.htm
>> and do a search of the e-texts for  <camatkAra>
>> (Note the < and > in the search term tell the digital library you are
>> using Kyoto-Harvard transliteration.) you will get a large number of
>> references to camatkAra.  Most are later than the date you are asking about
>> but its possible some might be earlier if you are lucky.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>> Harry Spier
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 2:12 PM, Nagaraj Paturi via INDOLOGY <
>> indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
>> Studies on Some Concepts of Alankara Shastra by V Raghavan at
>>
>> https://archive.org/download/in.ernet.dli.2015.495255/2015.4
>> 95255.STUDIES-ON.pdf
>>
>> has a chapter on Chamatkaara
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 10:30 PM, Raffaele Torella via INDOLOGY <
>> indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
>> Dear colleagues,
>>
>> I am looking for early (i.e. pre-Ānandavardhana) occurrences of the term
>> camatkāra.
>>
>> Thanks for any help.
>> Raffaele Torella
>>
>> Prof. Raffaele Torella
>> Chair of Sanskrit
>> Sapienza University of Rome
>> www.academia.edu/raffaeletorella<http://www.academia.edu/raffaeletorella>
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>>
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