Re: [INDOLOGY] camatkāra

Fri Apr 13 18:25:07 UTC 2018

I wish to thank all the colleagues who kindly responded to my query (also off-list).

Let me add some short remarks:

Nagaraj Paturi refers me to the chapter “Camatkāra” in Raghavan’s Some Concepts… It was one of the first things I read when I started taking interest in this subject. A bit disappointing, I should say, particularly because the learned author seems to think that four pages are enough for this intriguing concept.
David Mellins refers me to Pratīkāra-Indhurāja’s commentary on Bhāmaha’s Kāvyālaṃkārasaṃgraha for a pre-Ānanda occurrence of camatkāra, quoting De about the date of Pratīkāra-Indhurāja. I rather cling to the position of Kane, who after a lenghty discussion arrives at a later date (925-950). And even later, if we identify Pratīkāra-Indhurāja with the Indhurāja who taught the Dhvanyāloka to Abhinava.
Harry Spier advises me to search the database of Muktabodha, which however hardly contains early texts.
Asko Parpola suggests me to read Shulman’s paper. I had read it, but it mainly focuses on later developments (like the Camatkāracandrikā). Of course, he also refers to some passages from Abhinavagupta (following Gnoli’s translations), but perhaps it would have not been out of place to point out that the abrupt entrance of this seminal concept in Indian philosophy occurs not with Abhinava, but with his paramaguru Utpaladeva (the very important passages on camatkāra in the ĪPVV are after all comments on what Utpaladeva wrote in no more extant Vivṛti passages).
Indeed worth reading is Heidegger’s essay, suggested by Hartmut Buescher.

Many thanks again!
Raffaele

> Il giorno 12 apr 2018, alle ore 15:38, Hartmut Buescher via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> ha scritto:
> 
> Having thanks to the quick availability of David Shulman's "Notes on Camatkāra"
> been able to go through the article, I noticed that, although en passant touching on
> the meaning of this term in the philosophical system of Pratyabhijñā, he predominantly
> concentrates on its originally (thanks to Abhinavagupta) not altogether unrelated
> employment in later alaṅkāra contexts. For the sake of scholars with a considerable 
> interest in comparative philosophy, such as Matthew Kapstein (who requested a pdf 
> of the article in the present context), it may be remarked that the most important 
> reference provided in Tāntrikābhidhānakośa II: 231 under the lemma camatkāra is 
> actually to note 23 of Prof. Torella's The Īśvarapratyabhijñākārikā of Utpaladeva 
> with the Author's Vṛtti (1994: 118f.).
> Unfortunately, Shulman does not display any awareness of Torella's masterful work.
> In the context of Utpaladeva's Pratyabhijñā philosophy camatkāra, as Torella explains,
> has a profound significance in connection with realizing/re-cognizing one's Self,
> one that "goes beyond that relative and momentary transcendence that one has in
> the aesthetic experience of poetry and the theatre" (ibid.). He provides a number
> of adumbrative terms, introducing these by saying "[t]he terms with which it is
> glossed or with which it is closely related may be grouped according to its principal
> components: cognition, bliss, wonder." 
> 
> Given Matthew's primary field, let me add that camatkāra in the Pratyabhijñā context
> closely resembles that of ṅo mtshar as employed by Kloṅ chen pa and other
> rDzogs chen philosopher in the Tibetan context.
> Aware of the largely common geographical origin of modes of thinking that
> subsequently was turned into parallel systematic philosophical developments,
> this may not be altogether surprising.
> 
> Naturally, this sphere has received hardly any independent attention
> by Western philosophers. Yet, there actually is a rather astonishing focus
> in one of Heidegger's works. In volume 45
> Grundfragen der Philosophie. Ausgewählte "Probleme" der "Logik"
> of Martin Heidegger, Gesamtausgabe, (II. Abteilung: Vorlesungen 1925-1944),
> those interested in this ontologically attuned aesthetico-phenomenological context
> will find a long § 38 with 15 subsections (pp. 165-181) titled:
> "Das Wesen des Er-staunens als der in die Notwendigkeit des anfänglichen Denkens
> nötigenden Grundstimmung".
>  
> Best wishes,
>  
> Hartmut Buescher
> .
>  
> 
> 
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 6:49 PM, Matthew Kapstein via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
> Thanks to all who have responded. The wonderful Indologists have so far sent me one copy for each of the three eyes of Śiva!
> Camatkāra indeed!
> 
> Matthew
> 
> Matthew Kapstein
> Directeur d'études,
> Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes
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> Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies,
> The University of Chicago
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> To: Harry Spier; Asko Parpola
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> Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] camatkāra
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> Is a PDF of the article available?
> 
> Matthew T. Kapstein
> EPHE, Paris
> The University of Chicago
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> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 7:40:15 AM
> To: Harry Spier
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> Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] camatkāra
> 
> Shulman, David, 2010. Notes on Camatkāra. Pp. 249-276 in: David Shulman (ed.), Language, ritual and poetics in ancienty India and Iran. Jerusalem: Israel Academy of Sciences and Humanities.
> 
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 3:56 AM, Harry Spier via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info><mailto:indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>>> wrote:
> Dear Raffaele,
> 
> If you do a search of the Muktabodha digital library e-text collection. http://muktalib5.org/digital_library_secure_entry.htm <http://muktalib5.org/digital_library_secure_entry.htm>
> and do a search of the e-texts for  <camatkAra>
> (Note the < and > in the search term tell the digital library you are using Kyoto-Harvard transliteration.) you will get a large number of references to camatkAra.  Most are later than the date you are asking about but its possible some might be earlier if you are lucky.
> 
> Best wishes,
> Harry Spier
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 2:12 PM, Nagaraj Paturi via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info><mailto:indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>>> wrote:
> Studies on Some Concepts of Alankara Shastra by V Raghavan at
> 
> https://archive.org/download/in.ernet.dli.2015.495255/2015.495255.STUDIES-ON.pdf <https://archive.org/download/in.ernet.dli.2015.495255/2015.495255.STUDIES-ON.pdf>
> 
> has a chapter on Chamatkaara
> 
> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 10:30 PM, Raffaele Torella via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info><mailto:indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>>> wrote:
> Dear colleagues,
> 
> I am looking for early (i.e. pre-Ānandavardhana) occurrences of the term camatkāra.
> 
> Thanks for any help.
> Raffaele Torella
> 
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