[INDOLOGY] amsala

Wed Jun 29 21:59:03 UTC 2016

Hello Steven,
if you did not receive a copy yet, here it is.

Cheers,
Traude.

> On Jun 29, 2016, at 6:57 AM, Lindquist, Steven <slindqui at mail.smu.edu> wrote:
> 
> See also: 
> 
> Mehendale, M.A.  1977.  "aṃśalá" in Beiträge zur Indienforschung Ernst Waldschmidt zum 80, Berlin: Museum für Ind. Kunst, pp. 315-318.
> 
> In an unfortunate twist, my PDF of the article is apparently corrupted.  I will look for the paper copy in my files, but until then if anyone happens to have a PDF easily available, that would be much appreciated.
> 
> My best,
> 
> Steven
> 
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> From: INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info <mailto:indology-bounces at list.indology.info>> on behalf of Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh at umich.edu <mailto:mmdesh at umich.edu>>
> Date: Saturday, June 25, 2016 at 2:59 PM
> To: Herman Tull <hermantull at gmail.com <mailto:hermantull at gmail.com>>
> Cc: Indology <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>>
> Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] amsala
> 
> Hello Dermot and Herman,
> 
> At least in Pāṇini's understanding, the words vatsa+la and aṃsa+la are derived respectively in the sense of kāma "love" and bala "strength," sūtra: vatsāṃsābhyāṃ kāmabale (P. 5.2.98).  Thus, for Pāṇini, these words mean "loving, affectionate" and "strong," respectively.  That meaning for aṃsala would not fit the Śatapatha passage: aśnāmy evāham aṃsalaṃ ced bhavati, suggesting that the word had some other meaning making the meat more edible/desirable, and hence "tender" is a likely contextual meaning.  May be "plump, juicy".
> 
> Madhav Deshpande
> 
> On Sat, Jun 25, 2016 at 3:43 PM, Herman Tull <hermantull at gmail.com <mailto:hermantull at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>  Dermot,
>> 
>> I worked on this 30 years ago, and I remember asking the exact same question. If memory serves correctly (and it may be
>> unreliable  here), I believe Sayana's commentary is  helpful here  in getting to Eggeling's definition .   (I'm away from my library right now, and I cannot check . )
>> 
>> 
>> Herman 
>> 
>> Herman Tull
>> Princeton, NJ
>> On Jun 25, 2016 11:19 AM, <dermot at grevatt.force9.co.uk <mailto:dermot at grevatt.force9.co.uk>> wrote:
>>> Can someone help with a bit of brAhmaNa interpretation?
>>> 
>>> Monier-Williams and Mayrhofer both say aMsala means "strong", connecting it with aMsa
>>> "shoulder". Mayrhofer adds that it's used mainly with reference to cattle and meat.
>>> 
>>> In xatapatha brAhmaNa 3.1.2.21 Eggeling translates it "tender".
>>> 
>>> The context is a prohibition on eating beef -- apparently not for everyone at all times, but for
>>> someone undertaking dIkSA. After an arthavAda justifying the prohibition, YAjnavalkya is
>>> quoted as saying "axnAmy evAham aMsalaM ced bhavati."
>>> 
>>> Eggeling: "I, for one, eat it, provided that it is tender."
>>> 
>>> Is there any evidence for a meaning "tender", or is Eggeling taking a liberty to give
>>> YAjnavalkya a good punch line?
>>> 
>>> I realise that ancient Indian diet can be a sensitive issue, but the question here seems to be
>>> about YAjnavalkya's culinary preference.
>>> 
>>> I'd be grateful for any clarification.
>>> 
>>> Dermot
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