[INDOLOGY] Sources for verses on fate/karma

Wed May 27 19:58:09 UTC 2015

Dear Elliot,

> I need some help in understanding Walter’s mahābhārata reference.
I am travelling without access to the Crit. Ed. (full text with apparatus).
I cited the nAbhuktaM passage from my article quoted and am pretty sure I
had located it in the apparatus of passages not accepted as critical by the
editors, numbered as MahAbhArata "13, App. 15, 2200 A 1 pr."
I am afraid it will require to consult the printed edition to (re)trace the
actual wording.

Best, Walter

2015-05-27 21:31 GMT+02:00 Elliot Stern <emstern at verizon.net>:

> The opening of Vyomaśiva’s commentary appears in clearer form in my
> article,  Padārthasaṅgrahaṭīkā of Vyomaśiva: A Partial Reconstruction of
> Folia 2-3a, pages 401-413 of Karin Preisendanc, editor, Expanding and
> Merging Horizons (Vienna, 2007).
>
> We may doubt that devībhāgavatam is the source of the verse nābhuktaṃ
> kṣīyate karma kalpakoṭiśatairapi |avaśyameva bhoktavyaṃ kṛtaṃ karma
> śubhāśubham ||
>
> Here is devībhāgavatam 9.40.72cd-74cd:
>
> uktaṃ hi svakṛtaṃ karma bhujyatekhilabhārate || 72 ||
>
> śubhāśubhaṃ ca yatkiñcitsvakarmaphalabhukpumān | nābhuktaṃ kṣīyate karma
> kalpakoṭiśatairapi || 73 ||
>
> avaśyameva bhoktavyaṃ kṛtaṃ karma śubhāśubham | ityevamuktaṃ vede ca
> kṛṣṇena paramātmanā || 74 ||
>
>
> devībhāgavatam 9.29.69cd reads only this half verse: nābhuktaṃ kṣīyate
> karma kalpakoṭiśatairapi || 69||. The reference to verse 70 appears to be
> an error.
>
> Note: I have used a scan of the edition by rāmatejapāṇḍya available for
> download at vedpuran.net. The scan gives only the text without the title
> page, etc.
>
>
> I need some help in understanding Walter’s mahābhārata reference.
>
> I will upload a pdf of the CSS edition of vyomaśiva’s commentary  to
> archive.org in the near future. I downloaded this from DLI.
>
>
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>
> On 26 May  2015, at 22:49, David and Nancy Reigle <dnreigle at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> I, too, am interested in this verse on karma, and in the very old source
> reference for it kindly provided by Walter. For those who do not have the
> 1925-1930 Benares edition of the Prasastapadabhashyam that includes the
> Vyomavati commentary, this verse is found on p. 3 of vol. 1 of the improved
> edition of the Vyomavatī edited by Gaurinath Sastri (Varanasi:
> Sampurnanand Sanskrit Vishvavidyalaya, 1983). Gaurinath Sastri there adds
> in parentheses references to Devī-bhāgavata 9.29.69-70 and 40.73.
>
> Best regards,
>
> David Reigle
> Colorado, U.S.A.
>
> On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Walter Slaje <slaje at kabelmail.de> wrote:
>
>> For the full stanza,
>> see Vyomashiva's VyomavatI (Benares 1930) p. 20 (kha), 2;
>> for the first line only cp. Mahabharata 13, App. 15, 2200 A 1 pr.
>>
>> Quoted (with parallels from other philosophers) in W. Slaje,
>> "Untersuchungen zur Chronologie einiger Nyaya-Philosophen (StII 11-12
>> [1986]: p.254, n. 54).
>>
>> Best, WS
>>
>>
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>> 2015-05-26 20:24 GMT+02:00 Martin Gansten <martin.gansten at pbhome.se>:
>>
>>> Thanks for this similar verse, David. I'd still be very interested to
>>> hear from anyone who has seen the verses quoted by Balabhadra in any other
>>> sources than those mentioned.
>>>
>>> Best wishes,
>>> Martin
>>>
>>>
>>> David and Nancy Reigle wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Martin,
>>>
>>> Regarding your third verse:
>>>
>>> nābhuktaṃ kṣīyate karma kalpakoṭiśatair api |
>>> avaśyam eva bhoktavyaṃ kṛtaṃ karma śubhāśubham ||
>>>
>>> You are no doubt aware of a similar verse that is found in a number of
>>> Buddhist texts. An early source for it has recently been published, from
>>> which I here quote it:
>>>
>>> na praṇaśyanti karmāṇi kalpakoṭiśatair api |
>>> sāmagrīṃ prāpya kālaṃ ca phalanti khalu dehināṃ ||
>>>
>>> This is from the *Dhanapālakavaineyas**ūtra*, published in *A Unique
>>> Collection of Twenty S**ūtras in a Sanskrit Manuscript from the Potala*,
>>> editions and translation by Bhikṣuṇī Vinītā, vol. I,2, p. 692 (Sanskrit
>>> Texts from the Tibetan Autonomous Region, no. 7/2. Beijing -- Vienna: China
>>> Tibetology Publishing House, Austrian Academy of Sciences Press, 2010).
>>>
>>> While this does not answer your question, I thought it worthwhile to
>>> cite this recently available old source for the similar Buddhist verse.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> David Reigle
>>> Cotopaxi, Colorado, U.S.A.
>>>
>>> On Sun, May 24, 2015 at 1:22 AM, Martin Gansten <
>>> martin.gansten at pbhome.se> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Balabhadra in the early 17th century quotes several verses on the topic
>>>> of niyati/daiva and karma. I have found some of these in other works but
>>>> not others, and even for the ones I have found, I suspect there are earlier
>>>> or more common sources. Any help with attributing the following would be
>>>> much appreciated:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Attributed to Śaunaka:
>>>>
>>>> yena tu yat prāptavyaṃ tasya vidhānaṃ sureśasacivo ’pi |
>>>> yaḥ sākṣān niyatijñaḥ so ’pi na śakyo ’nyathā kartum || iti |
>>>>
>>>> 2. No attribution, but found (with variants) in Pañcadaśī 156 and
>>>> Mahāsubhāṣitasaṃgraha 3283:
>>>>
>>>> avaśyambhāvibhāvānāṃ pratīkāro bhaved yadi |
>>>> tadā duḥkhair na bādhyeran nalarāmayudhiṣṭhirāḥ ||
>>>>
>>>> 3. No attribution, but apparently popular -- found (with variants) in
>>>> Nāradapurāṇa 1.31.69 and 2.29.18 and Mahāsubhāṣitasaṃgraha 3292 (also
>>>> quoted in Āyurvedadīpikā and Satyaśāsanaparīkṣā); the question is what
>>>> would be either the earliest source or the most common/typical one in the
>>>> early 1600s:
>>>>
>>>> nābhuktaṃ kṣīyate karma kalpakoṭiśatair api |
>>>> avaśyam eva bhoktavyaṃ kṛtaṃ karma śubhāśubham ||
>>>>
>>>> 4. Attributed simply to smṛti:
>>>>
>>>> hanyate durbalaṃ daivaṃ pauruṣeṇa vipaścitā
>>>>
>>>> Many thanks in advance!
>>>>
>>>> Martin Gansten
>>>>
>>>>
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