[INDOLOGY] Source of "nAdevo devam arcayet"

[Walter Slaje]

Dear Dr Ganeshan,

sure. It was not my intention to challenge this well-known fact.

The statement of Maṅkha seems less well-known (except for a paper I am
leaving aside here for good reasons).
Except for the overall subject of his poem, which may be called "Purāṇic",
the quote as such has in its given context nothing to do with any Vedic or
Purāṇic "tradition". It was meant by Maṅkha as a very personal assertion.
He reverts to it here and there on occasion because he felt committed to
this principle to the degree that he considered himself - and was
considered by his fellows - an exception to the ordinary court poet, and
even made this attitude part of his authorial intention.
It was therefore that I restricted my words about this interesting fact to "
*Maṅkha*" alone and did not talk about a tradition, as I do not know of
such a one.

If you, or someone else, could kindly provide evidence for a Vedic or
Purāṇic background of Maṅkhas verdict (~ ~ "Let humans not be praised by
humans, man should praise god alone"), which could be classified as a
"tradition", it would certainly shed some light on the originality of this
Kavi.

Thanks,
WS


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studia humanitatis impigro labore culturum et provecturum
non sordidi lucri causa nec ad vanam captandam gloriam,
sed quo magis veritas propagetur et lux eius, qua salus
humani generis continetur, clarius effulgeat.
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2014-09-29 13:09 GMT+02:00 Dr. T. Ganesan <ganesan at ifpindia.org>:

>
> The statement nArudro [= nAshivaH, nAdevo] rudram arcayet / contains the
> fundamental Agamic/tantric view that one has to visualise oneself as [and
> thereby become] the God one worships and then proceed to the ritual of
> worship. This is the underlying theme  of all Agamic/tantraic worship which
> is NOT found in the Vedic/puranic tradition.
>
> Ganesan
>
>
>
> On 29-09-2014 15:22, Walter Slaje wrote:
>
>  This is interesting, as Maṅkha cherishes the opposite opinion, according
> to which no human (ruler), but only god, deserves praise - by man, e.g.:
>
>  *mahat kaṣṭam aho hitvā yac charvaṃ sarvataḥśrutim*[1]
> <#148c11a0064ce06a__ftn1>* |*
>
> *garvānavadhibādhiryo nareṇa stūyate naraḥ* || Śrīkaṇṭhacarita 25.6 ||
>
>  ------------------------------
>
> [1] <#148c11a0064ce06a__ftnref1> sarvataḥśrutim (em.)]* sarvataḥ śrutim *
> Ed.
>
>  ​ Regards,
>  WS
> ​
>
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> Prof. Dr. Walter Slaje
> Hermann-Löns-Str. 1
> D-99425 Weimar
> Deutschland
>
> Ego ex animi mei sententia spondeo ac polliceor
> studia humanitatis impigro labore culturum et provecturum
> non sordidi lucri causa nec ad vanam captandam gloriam,
> sed quo magis veritas propagetur et lux eius, qua salus
> humani generis continetur, clarius effulgeat.
> Vindobonae, die XXI. mensis Novembris MCMLXXXIII.
>
>  2014-09-29 11:00 GMT+02:00 Dr. T. Ganesan <ganesan at ifpindia.org>:
>
>>
>> nAdevo devamarcayet might be a general statement; but in the ancient
>> unpublished text of Sivadharma, there is a passage:
>>
>>
>> nārudraḥ saṁsmared rudraṃ nārudro rudram arcayet .
>>
>> nārudraḥ kīrtayed rudraṃ nārudro rudram āpnuyāt  .. (Sivadharma, 1: 25)
>>
>> This idea and the passage may be the basis for all later views expressed
>> in the same fashion.
>>
>> Ganesan
>>
>>
>> On 29-09-2014 02:45, Chiara Policardi wrote:
>>
>>  Dear List members,
>>
>> what is the source of the citation “nAdevo devam arcayet”?
>>
>> It is quoted as “vedic saying” (Coomaraswamy) and “tantrik saying”
>> (Eliade and others), but I haven’t ever seen the precise reference.
>>
>>
>>  Thanking you in advance,
>>
>>
>>  Chiara Policardi
>>
>> PhD student
>>
>> La Sapienza University of Rome
>>
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