Re: [INDOLOGY] Patañjali's syntax

[Adriano Aprigliano]

Thanks to Dominik W. and Lars F. for the propositions. 

I think yad is the main problem in fact... and still. It is solved by Lars as 'because': the syntax becomes smooth in terms of order, but still taking apazabdah as bahuvriihi sounds to me quite strange. 

As for Naageza's explanation brought up by Dominik, it leaves yad out, as far as I could gather from the translation. 

Understanding mleccha as an adjective of apazabda, albeit uncommon, as noted by Naageza himself, seems rather ok. But next the text goes: mlecchaah maa bhumety adhyeyam vyaakaranam. 

So it seems to me that maybe the commentators were a bit at lost with that construction themselves, don't you think?

Best

(first response went just to D. Wujastyk, sorry)

Prof. Dr. Adriano Aprigliano
Área de Língua e Literatura Latina
 
Faculdade de Filosofia, Letras e Ciências Humanas
Universidade de São Paulo
São Paulo, Brasil








Em 30/10/2013, às 11:40, Dominik Wujastyk escreveu:

> This exact point was discussed in the Pradīpa and clarified further in the Uddyota.   One might think, Nāgeśa said, that the word mleccha would usually refer to a person or a place; how could it refer to a bad word?  But in this case it is a term of criticism.  "A bad word (apaśabda) is really despicable (mleccha)."  
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> ("Bad word" is of course probably not one's final choice for translating apaśabda.)
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> On 30 October 2013 13:38, Adriano Aprigliano <aprigliano at usp.br> wrote:
> Dear colleagues,
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> I have been having doubts on how to translate this MBhāṣ sentence (Kielhorn, p.2, line 8):
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> te'surāḥ. te surā helayo helaya iti kurvantaḥ parābabhūvuḥ. tasmād brāhmaṇena na mlecchitavai nāpabhāṣitavai. mleccho ha vā eṣa yad apaśabdaḥ.
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> The problem is on the last sentence, what to make of that yad apaśabdaḥ. I start with ' for this one/he is indeed a mleccha...". 
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> Any suggestions?
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> best wishes
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