Legal constraints (la "Loi Toubon") [Re: Language barriers --- financial barriers

Thu Mar 19 13:21:40 UTC 2009

Offcourse   French language patriotism of French people is well known fact.
The situation may be same in other countries.  Hence I understand that
thing. I acknowledged that even in my first mail that started the debate.
But I hope that does not prevent authors of non-doctoral works to writen in
samskrita.

But In india it is vastly different. earlier the doctoral theses used to be
only in English, then they came in other regional languages also. Finally
then it is free for all. If somebody is student in Bangalore university
(Samskrita dept) he can write in english, Kannada, or Samskrita, but, I
think, not in telugu. similarly Rajasthan University allows one write in
Hindi English and Samskrita.
*But all Samskrita universities (12) have uniform rule to have theses in
Samskrita only.*
veeranarayana
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Jean-Luc Chevillard <
jean-luc.chevillard at univ-paris-diderot.fr> wrote:

> As a contribution to the debate, I would like to mention another parameter,
> namely the legal constraints that vary from country to country.
>
> It is (in normal conditions) against the law to write a Ph.D. thesis in
> English if you study at a French university.
>
> See the following link:
>
> <http://www.dglf.culture.gouv.fr/droit/loi-fr.htm>
>
> where you will find the "Article 11", of the "LOI n° 94-665 du 4 août 1994
> relative à l'emploi de la langue française" (known as "Loi Toubon") which
> says:
>
> "La langue de l'enseignement, des examens et concours, ainsi que des thèses
> et mémoires dans les établissements publics et privés d'enseignement est le
> français, sauf exceptions justifiées par les nécessités de l'enseignement
> des langues et cultures régionales ou étrangères ou lorsque les enseignants
> sont des professeurs associés ou invités étrangers."
>
> I have heard that in Germany a Ph.D. thesis can be written in English, but
> I would like to have confirmation of that fact.
>
> I am under the impression that in Italy, a Ph.D. thesis must be in italian.
>
> What is the situation in India? Is it possible to write a Ph.D. thesis in
> Sanskrit?
>
> The consequence of the French legal constraints is that a French Ph.D.
> thesis in the field of Indology has to be translated into English before it
> can hope to reach an international audience
> (and translation into Sanskrit, or Tamil, can probably only be viewed as a
> third step).
>
> Of course, there are people in France who realize that this situation is
> problematic, but there are other people who fight strongly against any
> change.
>
>
> -- Jean-Luc Chevillard (CNRS, Université Paris-Diderot Paris 7)
>
>
> veeranarayana Pandurangi a écrit :
>
>> Certainly, I welcome prof. Kiparsky's suggestion.
>>
>> It is what suggested by me there in hyderabad seminar. What I pointed is
>> that Prof. Kiparsky, prof. Houben, prof. Stall and very few others have
>> contributed very much grammatical tradition of panini, on the subject that
>> prof. Houben spoke there. But most of these researches are in english,
>> which
>> is mostly onknown to most of the very good traditional Samskrita scholars
>> who fortunatley still are keeping alive the panini's tradition. simlar is
>> the case of other shastras still rigorously studied in India, Nyaya,
>> Vyakarana, Mimamsa, Vedanta, Sahitya. [...]
>>
>>
>> Hence those writing in socalled international language i.e. English should
>> also publish in samskrita (not sanskrit) and technical language that
>> includes and that is original to paninian tradition, then the intended
>> result can be acheived. people should be made aware of these things. Many
>> of
>> you may know oldtimer pandita manners very well while visiting india.
>>
>> [....]
>>
>> Similarly people should practice writing in sanskrit. Sure I know that
>> will
>> have their no impact on their career in US universities and elsewhere, but
>> then english writing will have no result though writer may become
>> profesor.
>>
>> I dont say it is solely the fault of people writing in english or language
>> itself, the sin is shared by Pandits also by not responding to these
>> writngs. but then there come all the barriers. we have a strike a balance
>> to
>> overcome it. By writing in Samskrita one will only contribute more  to
>> language he studies, and nothing udesired thing will happen.
>>
>> This is what I spoke in Hyderabad.
>>
>> It is upto the scholars to workout.
>> veeranarayana
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Paul Kiparsky
>> <kiparsky at csli.stanford.edu>wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> If you want your work to be accessible to linguistically disjoint
>>> audiences, why write it up in just one language?   In smaller European
>>> countries it is, or at any rate used to be, usual to publish one's work
>>> both
>>> in English (or German) in an international journal, and locally in the
>>> national language.  For English-speaking Indologists, the comparable
>>> practice would be to publish both an English version in an international
>>> journal or book, and a Hindi, Tamil, or Sanskrit version in India.  As
>>> Jan
>>> Houben reported here on March 3, summaries of the talks at the recent
>>> Third
>>> International Sanskrit Computational Linguistics Symposium were made
>>> available both in English and in Sanskrit.  The traditional philologists
>>> and
>>> pandits who attended the conference welcomed the Sanskrit version as a
>>> step
>>> to overcoming the language barrier and establishing mutual understanding
>>> with English-speaking Indologists and computational linguists.
>>>
>>> Paul Kiparsky
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 18, 2009, at 5:09 PM, Simon Brodbeck wrote:
>>>
>>> On Friday 6 March 2009, Jean-Luc Chevillard wrote: "The more languages
>>> one
>>>
>>>
>>>> knows, the better."
>>>>
>>>> Few would disagree. But that is from the perspective of the consumer or
>>>> recipient of texts. Active researchers are also producers of texts, and
>>>> must
>>>> produce them in one language or another. From this perspective, one's
>>>> work
>>>> will be inaccessible to those who lack facility with the language in
>>>> which
>>>> it is presented; and the choice of language is therefore a choice of
>>>> audience.
>>>>
>>>> On the issue of financial barriers, it is an ongoing source of
>>>> embarrassment and bemusement to myself and many of my contemporaries
>>>> that
>>>> the journals and publishers we have been led to believe are most highly
>>>> esteemed by our institutional elders (in whose hands our careers lie)
>>>> tend
>>>> to be those which most of our desired audience cannot access. One cannot
>>>> but
>>>> suppose that, as a result, most of the discourse that there is on
>>>> indological subjects occurs in contexts systematically ignorant of
>>>> certain
>>>> recent discoveries in indology.
>>>>
>>>> The UK Arts and Humanities Research Council has been funding a higher
>>>> and
>>>> higher fraction of British indological research in recent years. My
>>>> perception is that the AHRC are increasingly concerned to ensure that
>>>> the
>>>> projects they fund have outputs accessible beyond the university sector.
>>>> Perhaps, then, pretty soon, projects whose principal written outputs are
>>>> not
>>>> to be made freely available online will simply not be publicly funded.
>>>>
>>>> Simon Brodbeck
>>>> Cardiff University
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>

-- 
Veeranarayana N.K. Pandurangi
Head, Dept of Darshanas,
Yoganandacharya Bhavan,
Jagadguru Ramanandacharya Rajasthan Samskrita University, Madau, post
Bhankrota, Jaipur, 302026.