resending question on chanted audio of Sanskrit declensions and conjugations?

[Deshpande, Madhav]

In the traditionally popular verse using all case forms of the word rAma, the vocative comes at the end, after the locative:

rAmo rAjamaNiH sadA vijayate rAmaM ramezaM bhaje
rAmeNAbhihatA nizAcaracamUH rAmAya tasmai namaH /
rAmAn nAsti parAyaNaM parataraM rAmasya dAso'smy aham
rAme cittalayaH sadA bhavatu me bho rAma mAm udhara //

This was also the common order in the old zabdarUpAvali manuals I remember from Pune.

Madhav Deshpande


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From: Indology [INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk] On Behalf Of George Cardona [cardonagj at EARTHLINK.NET]
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 9:00 AM
To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk
Subject: Re: resending question on chanted audio of Sanskrit declensions and conjugations?

In this connection, note that the prakriyaa show both orders. They give the vocative forms after three forms (sg., du., pl.) of the first triplet (nominative); e.g., v.rk.sas v.rk.sau v.rk.saa.h, v.rk.sa, v.rk.sau, v.rk.saa.h (Ruupaavataara), raama.h raamau raamaa.h, raama raamau raamaa.h (Siddhaantakaumudii).  The Ruupamaalaa, on the other hand, gives 'sukla 'suklau 'suklaa.h after the forms of the seventh triplet (locative). This does not mean that a syntactically distinct vocative set is recognized.  According to Paa.nini, the first triplet of endings (prathamaa) is introduced on condition that invocation (sambodhana) is involved (2.3.47: sambodhane ca [prathamaa]); the endings in question then bear the class name aamantritam (2.3.48: saamantritam), and the first or singular ending (ekavacanam) of the set is called sambuddhi (2.3.49: ekavacana.m sambuddhi.h).  George Cardona

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>From: "Peter M. Scharf" <scharf at BROWN.EDU>
>Sent: Jan 30, 2009 8:29 PM
>To: INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk
>Subject: Re: resending question on chanted audio of Sanskrit declensions and conjugations?
>
>Yes, that's what I'm saying.  There is no vocative case in Sanskrit.
>There are only 7 vibhaktis.  vocative is included in the 1st vibhakti
>so it should come immediately after it.
>Peter
>
>On Jan 30, 2009, at 4:59 PM, Dean Michael Anderson wrote:
>
>> Hi Peter,
>>
>> Are you saying that the vocative is chanted after the nominative? I
>> always thought it was at the end - after the locative.
>> Like this
>> Nominative - Prathama
>> Accusative - Dvitiya
>> ....
>> Locative - Saptami
>> Vocative - Sambodhanam  <----------
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Dean
>>
>> Peter M. Scharf wrote:
>>> I haven't explored the many Indian sites that are now including
>>> Sanskrit instructional materials on their sites.  There may be
>>> some.  The tapes I have of one pandit reciting paradigms are good
>>> but his voice is not of the best quality.  If you find a pandit
>>> with a melifluous voice, clear pronunciation, and who recites in
>>> the proper order:
>>>
>>> i.e. nominative sg., du., pl., vocative sg. du. pl, etc. for nominals
>>> 3rd sg. du. pl., 2nd. sg. du. pl. for verbs.
>>> It'd be a good additiona I'm sure.
>>>
>>> Yours,
>>> Peter
>>>
>>> On Jan 29, 2009, at 3:41 AM, Dean Michael Anderson wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sorry about the bad formatting. Yahoo Mail has been acting up
>>>> lately.
>>>>
>>>> I was thinking of working with a pandit to create some mp3 files
>>>> with chanted audio of Sanskrit declensions and conjugations for
>>>> teaching purposes. They would be made freely available on the
>>>> internet. I haven't yet found anything quite right for that purpose.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Has this already been done somewhere?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dean
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dean Michael Anderson
>>>>
>>>> East West Cultural Institute
>>>
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