jkirk jkirk at SPRO.NET
Fri Oct 11 01:43:26 UTC 2002

My I humbly note that although the sawn is not an indigenous Indian bird,
swans migrate to India from Russia during the winter.  As I pointed out last
February on this topic, the following should apply to the appearance of a
swan bird at l;east in the Indian northwest:
Mute Swan:
Palearctic, Nearctic, Ethiopian: The mute swan breeds in the British Isles,
north central Europe and north central Asia. It winters as far south as
North Africa, the Near East, and to northwest India and Korea.  (Reilly,
1968; Granlund, McPeek, and Adams, 1994)

Joanna Kirkpatrick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dominik Wujastyk" <ucgadkw at UCL.AC.UK>
To: <INDOLOGY at liverpool.ac.uk>
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 5:00 PM
Subject: Re: swams

> I'm sure Julia Leslie will comment herself, but she has done research in
> the last year which satisfies me that Vogel was wrong, mainly because he
> based his judgement too exclusively on S. Indian architectural images of
> birds.
> The standard view we Indologists have all held for decades, that hamsa is
> the grey goose, is no longer tenable.  Sometimes it's indeed a goose,
> sometimes (quite often) it's really a swan.
> I sincerely hope Julia will complete and publish her work soon, since the
> issue comes up often.  However, she is on a research fellowship at present
> for other work, so I fear we'll have to wait.
> Dominik
> On Thu, 10 Oct 2002, Alex Passi wrote:
> > Here's a delightful classic title - the author had an "omen-nomen":
> > Vogel, Jean Philippe, (1871-1951). The goose in Indian literature and
> > art. Leiden, E. J. Brill, 1962. vi, 74 p. 12 plates. 28 cm.
> > Vogel points out that the swan as such is not native to India. The
> > haMsa is - of course - a goose.
> > Cheers,
> > Alex
> >
> --
> Dominik Wujastyk

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