[INDOLOGY] devabhāṣā query

[patrick mccartney]

Thank you. This is all quite interesting and useful. Though it does not,
yet, pin down deva-bhāṣā.

Patrick


On Fri, Mar 21, 2025 at 10:11 PM Nagaraj Paturi via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Patrick ji seems to be looking for the origins of the exact compound
> devabhaashaa.
>
> If the vigraha of this compound is given
> as bhaashaa spoken by devas,
>
> Devii vaak does not fit the context,
>
> Since
>
> Here, devaah are being described as the ones who created/ generated, not
> those who spoke devii vaak
>
> This mantra describes  vaak in general, speech in general as devii and
> there is no evidence that this is a reference to a specific language like
> Sanskrit.
>
> This line is followed by the line "taam viswaroopaah pas'avo vadanti "
>
> also.
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, 21 Mar 2025, 6:21 pm Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY, <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>> The Jain Bhagavaī-Sutta says: *devā kyarāe bhāsāe bhasanti? devā
>> addhmāgahāe bhāsāe bhāsanti*. While the Jains would probably not call
>> Ardhamāgadhī a Devabhāṣā in the same sense as Sanskrit is called a
>> Devabhāṣā, they do insist that the Devas speak Ardhamāgadhī.  Also note
>> that the precursor of Devabhāṣā is the Vedic expression *devī vāk [devīṃ
>> vācam ajanayanta devāḥ]*. The semantics have changed somewhat, but there
>> is probably a connection.
>>
>> Madhav M. Deshpande
>> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
>> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
>> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>> Adjunct Professor, National Institute of Advanced Studies, Bangalore,
>> India
>>
>> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 21, 2025 at 5:27 AM Shrikant Bahulkar via INDOLOGY <
>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>
>>> I have already answered Patrick's question, referring to the Amarakosa
>>> 1.33
>>>
>>> On Fri, 21 Mar 2025, 10:29 patrick mccartney via INDOLOGY, <
>>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear Friends,
>>>>
>>>> Does someone know of the earliest attestation for the *devabhāṣā*
>>>> phrase?
>>>>
>>>> Thank you.
>>>>
>>>> All the best,
>>>>
>>>> Patrick McCartney, PhD
>>>> Phoenix Fellow 2023–26, HIroshima University, Japan
>>>> Visiting Fellow - South and South-east Asian Studies Department, Australian
>>>> National University
>>>>
>>>>
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