[INDOLOGY] Samavedic musical notation

Fri May 24 12:17:25 UTC 2024

I meant to write:
Are the superscripts (1's and 2's) on this partial image of a manuscript
page on the online lesson 8 of the Maurer Sanskrit text , Samaveda musical
notation or something else.
https://thesanskritlanguage.weebly.com/lesson-8.
html#:~:text=https%3A//thesanskritlanguage.weebly.com/lesson%2D8.html

Harry Spier

On Fri, May 24, 2024 at 8:09 AM Harry Spier <vasishtha.spier at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Are the subscripts (1's and 2') in this partial manuscript page image from
> lesson 8 of the online Maurer Sanskrit text lessons samaveda musical
> notation or something else.
>
> https://thesanskritlanguage.weebly.com/lesson-8.html#:~:text=https%3A//thesanskritlanguage.weebly.com/lesson%2D8.html
>
> Harry Spier
>
>
> On Fri, May 24, 2024 at 3:41 AM Christophe Vielle via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>> I recently noticed this material put on Archive.org <http://archive.org/> (and
>> also available on sanskritdocuments.org):
>>
>> https://archive.org/details/sAmagAnam/Samaveda_Samams_Decoding_PR_Iyer/
>> Samagana (sAmagAnam सामगानम्) are lines for chanting with musical notes.
>> These lines have no relation with the lines of saamaveda Samhita.
>> Saamagaanam is not singing of the samhita. We present here first portions
>> of SAmagAna in Malayalam script, handwritten manuscripts with svaras
>> prepared by P R Iyer (iyerpr49 at gmail) communicated in January 2021.
>> Linked from https://sanskritdocuments.org/doc_veda
>>
>> The audio clips of the Samaveda Ganam are available at
>> https://iish.org/sama-veda/
>> The text in the PDF files has the corresponding audio clip number and
>> minute:seconds time stamp on the left side of the text in each PDF file.
>> By clip number 24, audios of Grama gaanam (GG) and Aranyaka gaanam(AG)
>> are completed.
>> The remaining 40 audio clips are for Uha gaanam and Uhya gaanam.
>> Uha gaanam and Uhya gaanam text is really massive actually intimidating
>> and error prone.  Those are not prepared here, and there is no plan to post
>> them.
>>
>> The document Samaveda_Samams_Decoding_PR_Iyer.pdf will help the reader to
>> chant saamams musically.
>>
>> Another file Secrets_of_gUDhAkSharams_of_sAmaveda_saMhitA_PRIyer.pdf
>> will reveal some Secrets of gUDhAkSharams of_ sAmaveda saMhitA.
>>
>> For information, all Samaveda Samhita files in Malayalam are available at
>>
>> https://archive.org/details/samaveda-malayalam-0001-0114-Agneyam_PR-Iyer/Samaveda_Malayalam_0001-0114_Agneyam_PR_Iyer
>> Samaveda Samhita Kauthuma Samhita in Malayalam handwritten manuscripts
>> with Samaveda svaras prepared by P R Iyer (iyerpr49 at gmail) communicated
>> in October 2020.  Linked from https://sanskritdocuments.org/doc_veda
>>
>> There is also by the same
>>
>> https://archive.org/details/rigveda-malayalam-01-001-019-a-1.1-pr-iyer/Rigveda_Malayalam_01_001-019_A1.1_PR_Iyer/
>> Rigveda Samhita in Malayalam handwritten manuscripts with Vedic svaras
>> (anudAtta, svarita, 1 1/2, and dIrgha svarita) prepared by P R Iyer
>> (iyerpr49 at gmail) communicated in August 2020.  The files are arranged
>> with maNDala, sUkta range, and aShTakas.adhyAya.  Linked from
>> https://sanskritdocuments.org/doc_veda
>>
>>
>> –––––––––––––––––––
>>
>> Le 29 janv. 2024 à 17:55, Jan E.M. Houben via INDOLOGY <
>> indology at list.indology.info> a écrit :
>>
>> Dear François,
>>
>> Since you want to give a reply to your student -- Asko: happy to know
>> that this important publication of Wayne Howard has been generously made
>> available at the Studia Orientalia website -- you may consider in addition
>> to refer him to:
>>
>> J.M. van der Hoogt:
>> The Vedic Chant Studied in its Textual and Melodic Form.
>> (Concerns mainly the Kauthuma school of Samaveda.)
>> Dissertation at the University of Amsterdam (prepared under the direction
>> of Barend Faddegon).
>> Wageningen: Veenman & Sons, 1929.
>>
>> Without practical examples this, and many other publications on the
>> Samaveda, still remain largely incomprehensible.
>> Hence the necessity either to travel to India and study the Sama chant in
>> situ,
>> or to refer in addition to:
>>
>> https://vimeo.com/channels/vedicritual
>> and more specifically to
>> https://vimeo.com/channels/vedicritual/722739138
>>
>> Vaidikas in Bucharest 2010 - edited Paris 2022
>> Pdt. Chaitanya N. Kale and Pdt. Mukund R. Joshi (of the rare Rāṇāyanīya
>> school of the Sāmaveda) give a presentation:
>> *The mnemotechniques and traditional recitation of the Vedic Samhitas (RV
>> and SV)*
>> Bucharest, 22 September 2010.
>> A. Recitation of some well-known Rgvedic mantras (their precise
>> identification is left as an exercise to students of the Vedas) -- 00:30;
>> B. RV 1.164.50 in samhita, pada and krama patha -- 04:25;
>> C. Samavedic mantras and chant --
>> 07:25 intro;
>> 08:25 recitation of Purvarcika, SV 1.1-10;
>> 10:25 chant on the basis of SV 1.139: together with text plus its musical
>> notation.
>>
>> All best,
>> Jan
>>
>> On Sun, 28 Jan 2024 at 10:12, Asko Parpola via INDOLOGY <
>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear François, See:
>>>
>>> Howard, Wayne, 1977. Sāmavedic  chant. New Haven: Yale University Press.
>>> xxv, 572 pp., 48 ill., 8 tables.
>>> Howard, Wayne, 1988. Decipherment of the musical notation of the
>>> Jaiminīyas. With a foreword by Asko Parpola. (Studia Orientalia, 63.)
>>> Helsinki: Finnish Oriental Society. xv, 330 pp.
>>> downloadable at https://journal.fi/store/issue/view/3442.
>>> Falk, Harry, 1993. Die beiden Notationen der sāmavedischen svaras.
>>> Berliner Indologische Studien 7: 103-107.
>>>
>>> With best wishes, Asko
>>>
>>> On 27. Jan 2024, at 21.09, François Voegeli via INDOLOGY <
>>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Members of the List,
>>>
>>> Where can I find a good, concise and understandable explanation of the
>>> sāmavedic musical notation?
>>>
>>> I found some rather brief or cryptic comments on the matter in Renou's
>>> "Inde classique" § 547-548 and Burnell (Introduction to the Ārṣeya
>>> Brāhmaṇa, p. xxvi-xxvii), but these are not sufficient for my purpose
>>> (which is to give the best possible answer to a student's question).
>>>
>>> This doesn't need to be exhaustive. A good and simple description of the
>>> Jaiminīya's way, for example, would be enough.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>
>>> F. Voegeli
>>>
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>>
>> --
>> *Jan E.M. Houben*
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>> *Sources et histoire de la tradition sanskrite*
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