[INDOLOGY] asti as copula

[Nagaraj Paturi]

Usages cited in the concordance include NP NP sentences with asti used as
copula.

On Sun, May 5, 2024 at 3:15 PM Nagaraj Paturi <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com>
wrote:

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> A Vedic Concordance
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> by Maurice Bloomfield
>
> https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.15782
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> https://archive.org/download/in.ernet.dli.2015.15782/2015.15782.A-Vedic-Concordance-1906.pdf
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> On Sun, May 5, 2024 at 1:50 PM Nagaraj Paturi <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com>
> wrote:
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>> Substitution of asti in a 'verbless' (equational , NP NP sentence) is
>> based on the theoretical position that a sentence without a verb is not
>> possible.
>>
>> astitvenānuṣakto vā nivṛttyātmani vā sthitaḥ /
>> artho 'bhidhīyate yasmād ato vākyaṃ prayujyate // BVaky_2.427 //
>>
>> *kriyānuṣaṅgeṇa vinā na padārthaḥ pratīyate /**satyo vā viparīto vā
>> vyavahāre na so 'sty ataḥ* // BVaky_2.428 //
>> sad ity etat tu yad vākyaṃ tad abhūd asti neti vā /
>> kriyābhidhānasaṃbandham antareṇa na gamyate // BVaky_2.429 //
>>
>> On Sun, May 5, 2024 at 1:30 PM Nagaraj Paturi <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> asti in theory is discussed in the shaastra texts of Vyaakarana Nyaaya
>>> and Meemaamsaa for different purposes.
>>>
>>> In Vyakarana , Vakyapadiyam discusses asti as 'implied' (or present in
>>> the 'deep structure' ) at several different occasions.
>>>
>>> For example, it mentions it as implied when a single word works as a
>>> sentence.
>>>
>>> yac cāpy ekaṃ padaṃ dṛṣṭaṃ caritāstikriyaṃ kva cit /
>>> tad vākyāntaram evāhur na tad anyena yujyate // BVaky_2.270 //
>>>
>>> On Sat, May 4, 2024 at 11:17 PM jason.cannon-silber--- via INDOLOGY <
>>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear members of the Indology listserv,
>>>>
>>>> I have recently been wondering about the nature of the copula in
>>>> Sanskrit grammar (both in theory and in practice), and specifically whether
>>>> and how often the form *asti* is used as a copula in Classical
>>>> Sanskrit. I am sorry if this subject has been raised before on this list,
>>>> but from my search of the archives it seems it has not been addressed
>>>> directly.
>>>>
>>>> Any user of Sanskrit will know that there need be no word meaning "to
>>>> be" (i.e., no copula) in a sentence expressing that "X is Y" (i.e., a
>>>> nominal sentence). But from the exchange between Profs. Deshpande and
>>>> Bronkhorst in the pages of *Annals BORI*, I gather that at least some
>>>> *vaiyākaraṇa*s understood there to be a "silent," copulative *asti* in
>>>> such nominal sentences as *Devadattaḥ pācaka odanasya* or even *Rāmo
>>>> gataḥ*. (Whether Pāṇini himself was likely to have had such an
>>>> understanding was there the *vivādāspada*.)
>>>>
>>>> On the other hand, I have been told by someone whose knowledge of
>>>> Sanskrit usage I hold in high esteem that authors of classical Sanskrit
>>>> almost never use *asti* in this way, and that such usage might even be
>>>> considered wrong. This same person has suggested to me that (part of) the
>>>> reason for this may lie in the fact that technical terms derived from the
>>>> form *asti* (please bear in mind that I am speaking here only of the
>>>> form *asti*, not of forms of the root *as-* in other tenses, persons,
>>>> or numbers), such as *āstika* or *astitva*, are invariably connected
>>>> with *asti*'s existential (or perhaps "adessive") meaning. I have
>>>> noted that Speijer seems aware of no such avoidance, and gives a couple
>>>> examples of what he understands to be copulative *asti* from the story
>>>> literature (*Sanskrit Syntax* §§2-3).
>>>>
>>>> I would therefore like to know if there is any literature discussing
>>>> this avoidance (or perhaps even proscription) of using *asti* as
>>>> copula. A pre-modern discussion would be especially interesting, but I
>>>> would also appreciate further secondary resources, or even your own
>>>> thoughts.
>>>>
>>>> With best wishes,
>>>> Jason Cannon-Silber
>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Nagaraj Paturi
>>>
>>> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>>> Dean, IndicA
>>> BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra
>>> BoS Kavikulaguru Kalidasa Sanskrit University, Ramtek, Maharashtra
>>> BoS Veda Vijnana Gurukula, Bengaluru.
>>> Member, Advisory Council, Veda Vijnana Shodha Samsthanam, Bengaluru
>>> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies,
>>> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
>>> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>> --
>> Nagaraj Paturi
>>
>> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>> Dean, IndicA
>> BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra
>> BoS Kavikulaguru Kalidasa Sanskrit University, Ramtek, Maharashtra
>> BoS Veda Vijnana Gurukula, Bengaluru.
>> Member, Advisory Council, Veda Vijnana Shodha Samsthanam, Bengaluru
>> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies,
>> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
>> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>>
>>
>>
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> --
> Nagaraj Paturi
>
> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
> Dean, IndicA
> BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra
> BoS Kavikulaguru Kalidasa Sanskrit University, Ramtek, Maharashtra
> BoS Veda Vijnana Gurukula, Bengaluru.
> Member, Advisory Council, Veda Vijnana Shodha Samsthanam, Bengaluru
> Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies,
> FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
> Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
>
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>
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-- 
Nagaraj Paturi

Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
Dean, IndicA
BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra
BoS Kavikulaguru Kalidasa Sanskrit University, Ramtek, Maharashtra
BoS Veda Vijnana Gurukula, Bengaluru.
Member, Advisory Council, Veda Vijnana Shodha Samsthanam, Bengaluru
Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies,
FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.
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