[INDOLOGY] help with meter

Mon Jun 10 19:03:02 UTC 2024

Thank you, Walter.

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Aleksandar

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Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] help with meter

On this passage and its metre cp. Thomas Oberlies, Die Śvetāśvatara-Upaniṣad Einleitung – Edition und Übersetzung von Adhyāya I. In: WZKS 39 (1995), pp. 61–102.

See p. 88: „/a/ Jāgatī-Pāda – /c/ Cod. °ābhidhyānād: °ābhidhyānād, da die 3. Silbe kurz zu messen ist (vgl. Smith 1951: 15n.2).“

Regards, WS

Am Mo., 10. Juni 2024 um 18:10 Uhr schrieb Agnes Korn via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>>:

a. would be a regular Vedic Jagatî line, b. and d. Tris.t.ubh (these two meters are often combined); c. is not quite a regular line.

Best,
Agnes

Le 10/06/2024 à 18:07, Uskokov, Aleksandar via INDOLOGY a écrit :
Dear Daniel,

Thank you for this.

Best wishes
Aleksandar

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Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] help with meter

This should probably not be analysed in terms of classical syllabo-quantitative metres, but in terms of Vedic metre, where the patterns are more loosely defined. See Arnold's Vedic metre on trimeter and combinations of triṣṭubh and jagatī lines within a verse.Arnold, Edward Vernon. 1905. Vedic Metre in Its Historical Development. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press. pp. 11-14, esp. §§54-55.

On Mon, 10 Jun 2024 at 17:29, Uskokov, Aleksandar via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
Yes, it is Sarvajñātman's Saṅkṣepa-Śārīraka 4.46:

kṣaraṃ pradhānam amṛtākṣaraṃ haraḥ
kṣarātmānāv īśate deva ekaḥ |
tasyābhidhyānād yojanāt tattva-bhāvād
bhūyaś cānte viśva-māyā-nivṛttiḥ || 46 ||

As in the Ānandāśrama edition (Vol. 83.2, p.842):

[cid:ii_19003212187cb971f161]

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Aleksandar

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Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] help with meter

Can you please give the text of the verse?

Madhav

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
Adjunct Professor, National Institute of Advanced Studies, Bangalore, India

[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]

On Mon, Jun 10, 2024 at 7:28 AM Uskokov, Aleksandar via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
Dear friends,

Has any of you encountered a meter with the following structure:

a: ja bha ja ra
b: ya ta ta ga ga
c: ma ma ya ya
d: ma ta ta ga ga

Quarters c and d correspond to vaiśvadevī and śālinī, but a and b I cannot identify in Apte, though b seems a variation of śālinī with the first syllable laghu.

Any help appreciated.

Best wishes,
Aleksandar

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