[INDOLOGY] Help/advice

Mon Jan 16 04:07:27 UTC 2023

Good question about where to place diacritics over ai and au.

I’m not sure what the up-to-date Indological convention is. I note that Titus puts the accent mark on the a-component (as in dyáur); I have put it on the i- or u- component. I suspect that the diacritics will show better on a than in the very narrow symbol i. So maybe the Titus convention is the way to go

Hans Henrich

On 15 Jan2023, at 21:55, Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh at umich.edu<mailto:mmdesh at umich.edu>> wrote:

Thanks, Hans. Wow, this solution works on my Mac. Now the next question is this. When Pāṇini says that "ai, au" are nasal and udātta or svarita, where do we place the signs for nasality and accent? On both segments of "ai, au," or only on the final segment? We don't have this dilemma in Devanagari.

Madhav

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
Adjunct Professor, National Institute of Advanced Studies, Bangalore, India

[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]

On Sun, Jan 15, 2023 at 7:11 PM Hock, Hans Henrich <hhhock at illinois.edu<mailto:hhhock at illinois.edu>> wrote:
Madhav,

On the Mac, if you use a unicode-compatible font (e.g. Times New Roman) and select ABD - Extended for the keyboard, you can put together something like this ā̃́ as follows: Option a + a = ā; ā + Shift Option n = ā̃; ā̃ plus Shift Option e = ā̃́. The important thing to not is that after the first diacritic (which you insert with the usual Option selection before selecting the base character), any other diacritics have to be added after the base character by using Shift Option.

I don’t know whether you can go beyond adding three diacritics (I haven’t tried or needed to), but for what you are concerned with, the above should work.

I hope this helps.

Hans Henrich

On 15 Jan2023, at 19:30, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:

Thanks, Tim. Will give it a try. Often writing about Pāṇini, a need arises to show triple marking - length, nasality and accent. Lately I have had some difficulty in producing such triple markings.

Madhav

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
Adjunct Professor, National Institute of Advanced Studies, Bangalore, India

[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]

On Sun, Jan 15, 2023 at 5:04 PM Lubin, Tim <LubinT at wlu.edu<mailto:LubinT at wlu.edu>> wrote:
Dear Madhav,

As Suresh Kolichala says, several Unicode fonts include all the requisite glyphs.  I think you were also asking about a suitable keylaylout for Mac, to produce them.  EasyUnicode can handle that.  The basic repertoire of Indic transliteration characters are specially assigned to Opt+character+[letter] or Opt+Shift+[letter].

But the full set of “Unicode Combining Diacritical Marks” (0301-0362) are also available with EasyUnicode.

To add one to any letter, first type the letter destined to bear the diacritical mark, and then press opt+1 (a ring will appear temporarily) and then press the key assigned to the desired diacritical mark per the chart below.  For example:
   i. Type the letter "ā"
   ii. Press "option+1"
   iii. Press "e" which is assigned for the Unicode "Combining Acute Accent" (0301). Result: ā́
<image001.jpg>
Examples:Acute: "option+1" and "e", Greve: "option+1" and "@", Breve: "option+1" and "b", Caron: "option+1" and "v",Ring below: "option+1" and "r"

Alternative diacritical marks can be called by "option+1" and then pressing "shift" key.
Examples: Breve Below: "option+1" and "shift+b", Caron Below: "option+1" and "shift+v":

<image002.jpg>

Best wishes,
Tim

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Reply-To: Suresh Kolichala <suresh.kolichala at gmail.com<mailto:suresh.kolichala at gmail.com>>
Date: Sunday, January 15, 2023 at 6:15 PM
To: Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh at umich.edu<mailto:mmdesh at umich.edu>>
Cc: INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>>
Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Help/advice

Dear Madhavji

Every Unicode font that is well implemented should support all the combinations of diacritics. For instance, here is what I get with Times New Roman and Arial, with length, nasal, and accents.

<image003.png>

Attached is the word document I used. Let me know if it doesn't show correctly on your machines.

Thanks,
Suresh.

On Fri, Jan 13, 2023 at 11:28 PM Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
What font/keyboard-layout will allow me to type multiple diacritics on vowels, i.e length, nasality and accent? I want to type the 18 varieties of avarṇa as discussed by the grammarians. Any suggestions are welcome. Best,

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
Adjunct Professor, National Institute of Advanced Studies, Bangalore, India

[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]

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