[INDOLOGY] Can this be true?

Fri Dec 16 04:15:34 UTC 2022

Sorry for the typos. That should be 1.1.47 mid aco'ntyāt paraḥ.

On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 4:12 AM Rishi Rajpopat <rishiatulrajpopat at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Dear Prof. Olivelle,
>
> Thanks for your email. You are absolutely right. When I was writing my
> thesis, I did think very carefully about whether I should use the terms
> 'left' and 'right' while talking about pūrva and para respectively.
>
> One reason, of course, was, as you mention, that these terms only makes
> sense in the written context. The other reason for my apprehension about
> the accuracy / appropriateness of these terms was that, if Sanskrit were to
> be written, like Persian, from right to left, then para would have meant
> 'left'.
>
> So, why did I eventually decide to use the term 'right'? The thing is, I
> had to make it absolutely clear that, according to me, paraṁ kāryam means
> 'the rule which is applicable to the part that is spoken / pronounced later
> in time'. For example, the suffix is uttered / pronounced later than the
> base. I realized I would find it difficult to use this long and somewhat
> awkward phrase ('the rule which is applicable to the part that is spoken /
> pronounced later in time') again and again in my thesis. And since I've
> introduced so many new ideas in my thesis, I wanted to present things
> diagrammatically wherever possible to help the reader understand what I am
> trying to say. For all these reasons, I decided to translate para as right
> hand side when translating not only (my interpretation of) 1.4.2
> vipratiṣedhe paraṁ kāryam, but also in other rules such as 1.1.51 uraṇ
> raparaḥ and 1.1.47 mid acho'ntyāt paraṇ.
>
> I have not provided the above clarification in my thesis. In hindsight, I
> think I definitely should have. In the future, when I write about my
> doctoral research, I will most certainly do so. Thank you very much for
> bringing this up.
>
> In my recent interviews though, including the one with BBC radio
> yesterday, I did explain that paraṁ kāryam actually means 'that rule which
> is applicable to the part (to be more precise, operand) which is spoken /
> pronounced later', and that I use the term right hand side purely because I
> find it convenient to do so.
>
> Best,
> Rishi
>
> ---
>
> Dr. Rishi Rajpopat
> MSt (Oxford), PhD (Cambridge),
> Former Gonda Fellow (Leiden)
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 15, 2022 at 10:00 PM Patrick Olivelle via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
>> I wrote a response but apparently sent it only to Dominik. Here it is:
>>
>> Thank you, Dominik. I am no Pāṇinian, and it is good to know that this is
>> a series work and advances scholarship. I was curious, however, about the
>> use of ‘left’ and ‘right’ in the write-up on websites. These terms make
>> sense only within a manuscript culture. Would the translations have to be
>> “prior” and “posterior” or some terms to that effect, if we are dealing
>> with orality?
>>
>> Patrick
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 15, 2022, at 12:04 PM, Dominik Wujastyk via INDOLOGY <
>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>
>> Madhav, Rajpopat discusses this point and explicitly defends his view in
>> paras 1.6 and 1.7.
>>
>> On Thu, 15 Dec 2022 at 07:11, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY <
>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>
>>> In contrast with Patañjali, many modern scholars have argued that
>>> originally the rule "vipratiṣedhe paraṃ kāryam" was intended to apply only
>>> within the ekasaṃjñādhikāra prescribed by the previous rule "ā kaḍārād ekā
>>> saṃjñā." While Rishi Popat disagrees with Patañjali, he still seems to take
>>> the rule as applying across the entire Aṣṭādhyāyī. Popat has an interesting
>>> suggestion, but I am not yet convinced of his understanding of paratva. I
>>> would like to hear from my Guru, Professor Cardona.
>>>
>>> Madhav M. Deshpande
>>> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
>>> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
>>> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>>> Adjunct Professor, National Institute of Advanced Studies, Bangalore,
>>> India
>>>
>>> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 15, 2022 at 3:42 AM Arash Zeini via INDOLOGY <
>>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks for sharing this. A great example of close reading, if true. I
>>>> was most intrigued by Prof. Vergiani's statement:
>>>>
>>>> "Mr Rajpopat said he had a ‘eureka moment’ after his supervisor at
>>>> Cambridge, Professor of Sanskrit Vincenzo Vergiani, advised him: ‘If the
>>>> solution is complicated, you are probably wrong.’"
>>>>
>>>> All best,
>>>> Arash
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, 15 Dec 2022, 08:13 Kenneth Gregory Zysk via INDOLOGY, <
>>>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I came across this in my morning news:
>>>>> *https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/student-solves-ancient-puzzle-that-baffled-scholars-for-centuries/ar-AA15i1XE?cvid=6546b24b0bde472b850c8525d2afe813*
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>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Ken
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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