[INDOLOGY] Visualisation of Sanskrit Phonetics

Sat Sep 25 14:26:14 UTC 2021

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sob., 25 wrz 2021 o 16:16 Antonia Ruppel via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> napisał(a):

> On the idea of Indian villages where Sanskrit supposedly is spoken, I
> recommend Patrick McCartney’s excellent work, accessible e.g. here:
>
> https://patrickmccartney.academia.edu/research#recentlypublishedarticles
>
> All best,
>      Antonia
>
> On Sat 25. Sep 2021 at 16:11, Joanna Jurewicz <j.jurewicz at uw.edu.pl>
> wrote:
>
>> An eminent scholar and my colleague, Artur Karp, has just
>> rightly questioned in a personal letter if there are Sanskrit native
>> speakers. Well, there are villages in India where Sanskrit is spoken as the
>> first language, but  Artur is right, the expression "Sanskrit native
>> speakers" was unfortunate.
>>
>>
>> ---
>>
>> Prof. dr hab. Joanna Jurewicz
>>
>> Katedra Azji Południowej /Chair of South Asia Studies
>>
>> Wydział Orientalistyczny / Faculty of Oriental Studies
>>
>> Uniwersytet Warszawski /University of Warsaw
>>
>> ul. Krakowskie Przedmieście 26/28
>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/Krakowskie+Przedmie%C5%9Bcie+26%2F28+%0D%0A+00-927+Warszawa+,+Poland?entry=gmail&source=g>
>>
>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/Krakowskie+Przedmie%C5%9Bcie+26%2F28+%0D%0A+00-927+Warszawa+,+Poland?entry=gmail&source=g>
>>
>> 00-927 Warszawa
>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/Krakowskie+Przedmie%C5%9Bcie+26%2F28+%0D%0A+00-927+Warszawa+,+Poland?entry=gmail&source=g> ,
>> Poland
>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/Krakowskie+Przedmie%C5%9Bcie+26%2F28+%0D%0A+00-927+Warszawa+,+Poland?entry=gmail&source=g>
>>
>> Department of Linguistics and Modern Languages
>>
>> College of Human Sciences
>>
>> UNISA
>>
>> Pretoria, RSA
>>
>> Member of Academia Europaea
>>
>> https://uw.academia.edu/JoannaJurewicz
>>
>>
>> sob., 25 wrz 2021 o 15:07 Joanna Jurewicz <j.jurewicz at uw.edu.pl>
>> napisał(a):
>>
>>> What a wonderful website!
>>>
>>> I wish I could use ultrasonography when I teach my students to explain
>>> the Sandhi phenomena, e.g. cerebralisation of consonants (cerebral
>>> consonants are the most difficult consonants for Polish speakers).
>>>
>>> For example, it takes me much time to explain them how to pronounce the
>>> noun  *kṛṣṇa. *I tell them that if they want to properly  express it,  they
>>> have to realise:
>>>
>>> 1) that they have to open their mouth slightly more than when they speak
>>> Polish  and release the muscles of their chicks and other muscles of the
>>> lower part of their face,
>>>
>>> 1)  that when they open the mouth slightly more and pronounce the
>>> guttural "k", they will have a lot of place between the tip of the tongue
>>> and the palate,
>>>
>>> 2)  that, having pronounced "k", they have to push the tip of the
>>> tongue slightly back (which is now not difficult thanks to creation of
>>> space in the mouth), and quickly move it in order to pronounce the
>>> vocalical "ṛ" (which is the same movement as in Polish "r"),
>>>
>>> 3) that, having pronounced "ṛ", they still  have to keep their tongue
>>> back (to "yoke" it) in order to pronounce the sibilant "ṣ" (which is
>>> contrary to Polish habit to move the tongue a bit forward to pronounce the
>>> Polish consonant "sz", the same is for English "sh"),
>>>
>>> 4) that, having pronounced "ṣ", they still have to "yoke" their tongue
>>> in the same position to pronounce the cerebral "ṇ".
>>>
>>> I make funny faces when I try to "show" them this process, they laugh at
>>> me, and I ask them why they don't laugh at people at the gym who train
>>> various muscles of their body (which might look very funny too) and that
>>> the tongue is a muscle too, moreover its structure is unique to human
>>> species, because it allows us to speak. Then  we come back to the exercises
>>> until they say "wow, if we push our tongue back and keep it there, there is
>>> no problems with "ṇ" !".  Then they have to exercise until they are
>>> able to pronounce the word quickly.
>>>
>>> The fact that the larynx is placed slightly more below in Sanskrit
>>> pronunciation than in Polish  is the upaniṣad and I teach it to them
>>> later on. I have some devices to explain how to lower one's larynx. But the
>>> video would be of much help.
>>>
>>> The movements of lips  (generally speaking the whole vocal apparatus)
>>> are also different, but this is easier to be shown. And the role of
>>> breathing is crucial, of course (which I teach my students from the
>>> very beginning).
>>>
>>> If I had such a device, it would be easier for me to explain to
>>> them "the art of yoking of the tongue".
>>>
>>> It would be great if we could create such videos with Sanskrit native
>>> speakers which would take into account the invisible aspects of Sanskrit
>>> phonetics. I'd gladly take part in such an enterprise!
>>>
>>> Thank you very much, Adheesh. I will certainly use the page during my
>>> phonetics classes to show the movements of the tongue in general
>>> perspective.
>>>
>>> Best wishes,
>>>
>>> Joanna
>>>
>>>
>>> ---
>>>
>>> Prof. dr hab. Joanna Jurewicz
>>>
>>> Katedra Azji Południowej /Chair of South Asia Studies
>>>
>>> Wydział Orientalistyczny / Faculty of Oriental Studies
>>>
>>> Uniwersytet Warszawski /University of Warsaw
>>>
>>> ul. Krakowskie Przedmieście 26/28
>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/Krakowskie+Przedmie%C5%9Bcie+26%2F28+%0D%0A+00-927+Warszawa+,+Poland?entry=gmail&source=g>
>>>
>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/Krakowskie+Przedmie%C5%9Bcie+26%2F28+%0D%0A+00-927+Warszawa+,+Poland?entry=gmail&source=g>
>>>
>>> 00-927 Warszawa
>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/Krakowskie+Przedmie%C5%9Bcie+26%2F28+%0D%0A+00-927+Warszawa+,+Poland?entry=gmail&source=g> ,
>>> Poland
>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/Krakowskie+Przedmie%C5%9Bcie+26%2F28+%0D%0A+00-927+Warszawa+,+Poland?entry=gmail&source=g>
>>>
>>> Department of Linguistics and Modern Languages
>>>
>>> College of Human Sciences
>>>
>>> UNISA
>>>
>>> Pretoria, RSA
>>>
>>> Member of Academia Europaea
>>>
>>> https://uw.academia.edu/JoannaJurewicz
>>>
>>>
>>> pt., 24 wrz 2021 o 02:47 adheesh sathaye via INDOLOGY <
>>> indology at list.indology.info> napisał(a):
>>>
>>>> Dear Marcis et al,
>>>>
>>>> I don’t know if this will be useful for your purposes, but the
>>>> Linguistics department here at UBC has designed a website called
>>>> “eNunciate!” with various linguistics learning tools, including “Sounds of
>>>> the World’s Languages”, which provides videos illustrating the
>>>> pronunciation of a broad range of IPA consonants and vowels, including,
>>>> presumably, all sounds within the Sanskrit syllabary.
>>>> They feature both graphical representations like you are looking for,
>>>> as well as actual ultrasound captures of a live speaker.
>>>>
>>>> The site can be accessed here:
>>>> https://enunciate.arts.ubc.ca/linguistics/world-sounds/
>>>> Similar animated videos are found on the ArticulatoryIPA YouTube site:
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuOKJqD00W2EiC3DHmOuu0g
>>>>
>>>> For a list of correspondences between IPA and the Sanskrit syllabary,
>>>> you may consult Andrew Ollett’s excellent Sanskrit reference grammar
>>>> (vṛddhiḥ) at the Univ. of Chicago, here:
>>>> http://prakrit.info/vrddhi/grammar/
>>>>
>>>> I am also currently making youtube videos that you can find if search
>>>> for UBC Sanskrit on Youtube. These may or may not be useful.
>>>>
>>>> With all best wishes,
>>>> Adheesh
>>>>
>>>> —
>>>> Adheesh Sathaye
>>>> University of British Columbia
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 22, 2021, at 04:56, Mārcis Gasūns via INDOLOGY <
>>>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Greetings,
>>>>
>>>>   Is there something like this for Sanskrit (taken from
>>>> https://archive.org/details/dli.ernet.503070/page/99/mode/2up)? The
>>>> closes I've seen is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindustani_phonology but
>>>> it has not pictures, only a vowel chart.
>>>>   Does
>>>> https://archive.org/details/ACriticalStudyOfSanskritPhonetics_Mishra/img167_2R.jpg remains
>>>> the only book on Sanskrit phonetics?
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Marcis
>>>>
>>>>
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