[INDOLOGY] Visualisation of Sanskrit Phonetics

Sat Sep 25 14:30:57 UTC 2021

Thank you, Antonia, very much.

But, generally speaking, the main topic of my letter was not Sanskrit
speaking villages, but how interesting the website is and how much
ultrasound technology would be helpful in teaching Sanskrit phonetics.

Best,

Joanna

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Prof. dr hab. Joanna Jurewicz

Katedra Azji Południowej /Chair of South Asia Studies

Wydział Orientalistyczny / Faculty of Oriental Studies

Uniwersytet Warszawski /University of Warsaw

ul. Krakowskie Przedmieście 26/28

00-927 Warszawa , Poland

Department of Linguistics and Modern Languages

College of Human Sciences

UNISA

Pretoria, RSA

Member of Academia Europaea

https://uw.academia.edu/JoannaJurewicz

sob., 25 wrz 2021 o 16:15 Antonia Ruppel <rhododaktylos at gmail.com>
napisał(a):

> On the idea of Indian villages where Sanskrit supposedly is spoken, I
> recommend Patrick McCartney’s excellent work, accessible e.g. here:
>
> https://patrickmccartney.academia.edu/research#recentlypublishedarticles
>
> All best,
>      Antonia
>
> On Sat 25. Sep 2021 at 16:11, Joanna Jurewicz <j.jurewicz at uw.edu.pl>
> wrote:
>
>> An eminent scholar and my colleague, Artur Karp, has just
>> rightly questioned in a personal letter if there are Sanskrit native
>> speakers. Well, there are villages in India where Sanskrit is spoken as the
>> first language, but  Artur is right, the expression "Sanskrit native
>> speakers" was unfortunate.
>>
>>
>> ---
>>
>> Prof. dr hab. Joanna Jurewicz
>>
>> Katedra Azji Południowej /Chair of South Asia Studies
>>
>> Wydział Orientalistyczny / Faculty of Oriental Studies
>>
>> Uniwersytet Warszawski /University of Warsaw
>>
>> ul. Krakowskie Przedmieście 26/28
>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/Krakowskie+Przedmie%C5%9Bcie+26%2F28+%0D%0A+00-927+Warszawa+,+Poland?entry=gmail&source=g>
>>
>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/Krakowskie+Przedmie%C5%9Bcie+26%2F28+%0D%0A+00-927+Warszawa+,+Poland?entry=gmail&source=g>
>>
>> 00-927 Warszawa
>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/Krakowskie+Przedmie%C5%9Bcie+26%2F28+%0D%0A+00-927+Warszawa+,+Poland?entry=gmail&source=g> ,
>> Poland
>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/Krakowskie+Przedmie%C5%9Bcie+26%2F28+%0D%0A+00-927+Warszawa+,+Poland?entry=gmail&source=g>
>>
>> Department of Linguistics and Modern Languages
>>
>> College of Human Sciences
>>
>> UNISA
>>
>> Pretoria, RSA
>>
>> Member of Academia Europaea
>>
>> https://uw.academia.edu/JoannaJurewicz
>>
>>
>> sob., 25 wrz 2021 o 15:07 Joanna Jurewicz <j.jurewicz at uw.edu.pl>
>> napisał(a):
>>
>>> What a wonderful website!
>>>
>>> I wish I could use ultrasonography when I teach my students to explain
>>> the Sandhi phenomena, e.g. cerebralisation of consonants (cerebral
>>> consonants are the most difficult consonants for Polish speakers).
>>>
>>> For example, it takes me much time to explain them how to pronounce the
>>> noun  *kṛṣṇa. *I tell them that if they want to properly  express it,  they
>>> have to realise:
>>>
>>> 1) that they have to open their mouth slightly more than when they speak
>>> Polish  and release the muscles of their chicks and other muscles of the
>>> lower part of their face,
>>>
>>> 1)  that when they open the mouth slightly more and pronounce the
>>> guttural "k", they will have a lot of place between the tip of the tongue
>>> and the palate,
>>>
>>> 2)  that, having pronounced "k", they have to push the tip of the
>>> tongue slightly back (which is now not difficult thanks to creation of
>>> space in the mouth), and quickly move it in order to pronounce the
>>> vocalical "ṛ" (which is the same movement as in Polish "r"),
>>>
>>> 3) that, having pronounced "ṛ", they still  have to keep their tongue
>>> back (to "yoke" it) in order to pronounce the sibilant "ṣ" (which is
>>> contrary to Polish habit to move the tongue a bit forward to pronounce the
>>> Polish consonant "sz", the same is for English "sh"),
>>>
>>> 4) that, having pronounced "ṣ", they still have to "yoke" their tongue
>>> in the same position to pronounce the cerebral "ṇ".
>>>
>>> I make funny faces when I try to "show" them this process, they laugh at
>>> me, and I ask them why they don't laugh at people at the gym who train
>>> various muscles of their body (which might look very funny too) and that
>>> the tongue is a muscle too, moreover its structure is unique to human
>>> species, because it allows us to speak. Then  we come back to the exercises
>>> until they say "wow, if we push our tongue back and keep it there, there is
>>> no problems with "ṇ" !".  Then they have to exercise until they are
>>> able to pronounce the word quickly.
>>>
>>> The fact that the larynx is placed slightly more below in Sanskrit
>>> pronunciation than in Polish  is the upaniṣad and I teach it to them
>>> later on. I have some devices to explain how to lower one's larynx. But the
>>> video would be of much help.
>>>
>>> The movements of lips  (generally speaking the whole vocal apparatus)
>>> are also different, but this is easier to be shown. And the role of
>>> breathing is crucial, of course (which I teach my students from the
>>> very beginning).
>>>
>>> If I had such a device, it would be easier for me to explain to
>>> them "the art of yoking of the tongue".
>>>
>>> It would be great if we could create such videos with Sanskrit native
>>> speakers which would take into account the invisible aspects of Sanskrit
>>> phonetics. I'd gladly take part in such an enterprise!
>>>
>>> Thank you very much, Adheesh. I will certainly use the page during my
>>> phonetics classes to show the movements of the tongue in general
>>> perspective.
>>>
>>> Best wishes,
>>>
>>> Joanna
>>>
>>>
>>> ---
>>>
>>> Prof. dr hab. Joanna Jurewicz
>>>
>>> Katedra Azji Południowej /Chair of South Asia Studies
>>>
>>> Wydział Orientalistyczny / Faculty of Oriental Studies
>>>
>>> Uniwersytet Warszawski /University of Warsaw
>>>
>>> ul. Krakowskie Przedmieście 26/28
>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/Krakowskie+Przedmie%C5%9Bcie+26%2F28+%0D%0A+00-927+Warszawa+,+Poland?entry=gmail&source=g>
>>>
>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/Krakowskie+Przedmie%C5%9Bcie+26%2F28+%0D%0A+00-927+Warszawa+,+Poland?entry=gmail&source=g>
>>>
>>> 00-927 Warszawa
>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/Krakowskie+Przedmie%C5%9Bcie+26%2F28+%0D%0A+00-927+Warszawa+,+Poland?entry=gmail&source=g> ,
>>> Poland
>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/Krakowskie+Przedmie%C5%9Bcie+26%2F28+%0D%0A+00-927+Warszawa+,+Poland?entry=gmail&source=g>
>>>
>>> Department of Linguistics and Modern Languages
>>>
>>> College of Human Sciences
>>>
>>> UNISA
>>>
>>> Pretoria, RSA
>>>
>>> Member of Academia Europaea
>>>
>>> https://uw.academia.edu/JoannaJurewicz
>>>
>>>
>>> pt., 24 wrz 2021 o 02:47 adheesh sathaye via INDOLOGY <
>>> indology at list.indology.info> napisał(a):
>>>
>>>> Dear Marcis et al,
>>>>
>>>> I don’t know if this will be useful for your purposes, but the
>>>> Linguistics department here at UBC has designed a website called
>>>> “eNunciate!” with various linguistics learning tools, including “Sounds of
>>>> the World’s Languages”, which provides videos illustrating the
>>>> pronunciation of a broad range of IPA consonants and vowels, including,
>>>> presumably, all sounds within the Sanskrit syllabary.
>>>> They feature both graphical representations like you are looking for,
>>>> as well as actual ultrasound captures of a live speaker.
>>>>
>>>> The site can be accessed here:
>>>> https://enunciate.arts.ubc.ca/linguistics/world-sounds/
>>>> Similar animated videos are found on the ArticulatoryIPA YouTube site:
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuOKJqD00W2EiC3DHmOuu0g
>>>>
>>>> For a list of correspondences between IPA and the Sanskrit syllabary,
>>>> you may consult Andrew Ollett’s excellent Sanskrit reference grammar
>>>> (vṛddhiḥ) at the Univ. of Chicago, here:
>>>> http://prakrit.info/vrddhi/grammar/
>>>>
>>>> I am also currently making youtube videos that you can find if search
>>>> for UBC Sanskrit on Youtube. These may or may not be useful.
>>>>
>>>> With all best wishes,
>>>> Adheesh
>>>>
>>>> —
>>>> Adheesh Sathaye
>>>> University of British Columbia
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 22, 2021, at 04:56, Mārcis Gasūns via INDOLOGY <
>>>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Greetings,
>>>>
>>>>   Is there something like this for Sanskrit (taken from
>>>> https://archive.org/details/dli.ernet.503070/page/99/mode/2up)? The
>>>> closes I've seen is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindustani_phonology but
>>>> it has not pictures, only a vowel chart.
>>>>   Does
>>>> https://archive.org/details/ACriticalStudyOfSanskritPhonetics_Mishra/img167_2R.jpg remains
>>>> the only book on Sanskrit phonetics?
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Marcis
>>>>
>>>>
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