[INDOLOGY] Re: Professor-researcher recruitment campaign EPHE

Fri Feb 19 13:36:34 UTC 2021

Thank you, Jan!

Best regards,

Joanna

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Prof. dr hab. Joanna Jurewicz

Katedra Azji Południowej /Chair of South Asia Studies

Wydział Orientalistyczny / Faculty of Oriental Studies

Uniwersytet Warszawski /University of Warsaw

ul. Krakowskie Przedmieście 26/28

00-927 Warszawa , Poland

Department of Linguistics and Modern Languages

College of Human Sciences

UNISA

Pretoria, RSA

Member of Academia Europaea

https://uw.academia.edu/JoannaJurewicz

pt., 19 lut 2021 o 14:20 Jan E.M. Houben <jemhouben at gmail.com> napisał(a):

> Dear Dominik, Dear Jonathan, Dear Jean-Michel,
> Did anyone download the relevant document and read the requirements?
> Even I had missed one passage, because I now see that here
> <https://www.ephe.psl.eu/actualites/recrutement_des_enseignants-chercheurs_2021/2021-recrutement-ec-shp.pdf>
> it says clearly:
> "Rédaction : Le français et l’anglais sont acceptés pour tous vos
> documents"
> So: nihil obstat for those who want to apply in English.
> My remark reflected no legal condition but a personal estimation which is
> perhaps no more valid.
> Even apart from any intention to apply or not to apply for the positions
> now posted, knowledge of French (and German) should be considered highly
> recommendable for anyone studying and teaching in the domain of Indology --
> including in officially bi- and multi-lingual Canada :) -- in view of the
> extensive scientific literature on Sanskrit, Vedic studies etc. available
> in these languages.
> In our EPHE-SHP we do have several international colleagues, including
> from Belgium.
> Even then I experience that France participates more strongly in a
> "romance languages" intellectual circuit with students and colleagues from
> Italy, Spain, South America etc. whereas what I remember from my active
> participation in academic life in the Netherlands is that it has become
> more and more strongly Anglo-Saxon oriented, esp. since the late 1990s. But
> Willem Caland, Utrecht, still published extensively in German and
> co-produced a major publication in French together with his
> French colleague Victor Henry ( L'Agnistoma, tome I-II, 1906-1907). On the
> other hand, Louis Renou learned sufficient Dutch in order to read Willem
> Caland's scientific publications in Dutch (Suutra-aanwinsten, Over en uit
> het Jaiminiiya, etc.).
> If we come to Vedic studies, the full or partial translations by Ludwig,
> Bergaigne, Caland, Renou, Elizarenkova now Jamison & Brereton ... are to be
> read in their original languages.
> From whatever I have understood of another major language of the world,
> Chinese, I estimate that it will be entirely impossible to capture the
> nuances of different interpretations expressed in these translations into
> German, French, Russian, English, without enormous footnotes at each
> subjunctive, injunctive, imperative, at each explicit or elliptic use of a
> form of 'to be' ...  Perhaps a translation into Chinese can at the most
> aspire to be a close paraphrase... By contrast, this shows the importance
> of having different interpretations of Vedic ritual poetry and Vedic
> literature into German, French, Russian and English... (and of course into
> Polish...).
> All best,
> Jan
>
> On Fri, 19 Feb 2021 at 10:43, jmdelire <jmdelire at ulb.ac.be> wrote:
>
>> Another example, which perhaps is not to be generalized : a year ago, I
>> was informed that a position as Professor of History of mathematics
>> would be opened at the University of Wuppertal (Germany). I went into
>> contact by email with two professors there, and all our exchanges were
>> in English. I was told that my CV was perfect for the position, which
>> implies the training of future math teachers. But, when I asked if I
>> could teach in English for a year or two (before becoming able to do it
>> in German, a language of which I have a passive knowledge), it was
>> answered that this would not be possible. I applied nonetheless, but
>> received no invitation to an interview, probably due to the pandemy.
>>
>> Jean Michel
>>
>>
>> Le 19.02.2021 10:05, Jonathan Silk a écrit :
>> > It seems like perhaps it is possible that Jan has not quite addressed
>> > Dominik's point: I did not read him as rejecting the use of French,
>> > only the condition that fluency is a requirement _for application_.
>> >
>> > For instance, although one might expect a Spanish or Italian speaker
>> > to be able to ramp up to working fluency in two years, this seems to
>> > be ruled out. NB: As far as I know, the requirement for fluency in
>> > German in German and Austrian universities, and in Dutch here in the
>> > Netherlands, is normally specified as "within two years," and at least
>> > it used to be the case that the university provided support for
>> > language training.
>> >
>> > Jan, himself Dutch, is surely aware that most people in the world were
>> > not able to benefit from the excellent gymnasium training he received
>> > in which language acquisition was strongly present (and a further
>> > note: this is increasingly not the case even in the top gynmasia here,
>> > where so-called beta tracks [natural sciences] have largely taken
>> > over, for completely understandable reasons.)
>> >
>> > So what we seem to come down to is an implicit interest in preventing
>> > non-French scholars from even applying...(which Dominik was of course
>> > too polite to say in so many words)
>> >
>> > Jonathan
>> >
>> > On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 9:54 AM jmdelire <jmdelire at ulb.ac.be> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Having myself French as mother language, I always had the feeling
>> >> that
>> >> the education system in France is not particularly open to non
>> >> French
>> >> students or teachers. Of course, it is different in the world of
>> >> research.
>> >> Just an example : we have in Belgium thousands of French students
>> >> in our
>> >> Universities or Hautes Ecoles, because our education system is
>> >> quite
>> >> open, while it is particularly difficult for a Belgian to study in
>> >> France.
>> >>
>> >> Jean Michel
>> >>
>> >> Le 18.02.2021 23:53, Jan E.M. Houben a écrit :
>> >>> sans accepter la diversité régionale, culturelle et
>> >> linguistique, la
>> >>> science et l'érudition perdraient pourtant une grande partie de
>> >> la
>> >>> richesse qui leur appartenait traditionnellement ...
>> >>>
>> >>> (= without accepting regional, cultural and linguistic diversity,
>> >>> science and scholarship would nevertheless lose much of the
>> >> richness
>> >>> which has been traditionally theirs ...)
>> >>>
>> >>> On Thu, 18 Feb 2021 at 17:54, Dominik Wujastyk
>> >> <wujastyk at gmail.com>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 at 04:49, Jan E.M. Houben
>> >> <jemhouben at gmail.com>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Dear All,
>> >>>>> The professor-researcher recruitment campaign 2021 at the
>> >> École
>> >>>>> Pratique des Hautes Études (EPHE) is open.
>> >>>>> This time, none of the open positions are directly
>> >> "indological"
>> >>>>> but some of the positions in Sciences historiques et
>> >>>>> philologiques or Sciences religieuses *could* in theory
>> >>>>> accommodate indological (indological-linguistic) or
>> >> buddhological
>> >>>>> applications.
>> >>>>> Please explore at
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >
>> https://www.ephe.psl.eu/actualites/recrutement-des-seignants-chercheurs-2021
>> >> [1]
>> >>>>> [1]
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> A good active mastery of French is of course a prerequisite.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> "of course"?  No, this is not obvious or normal.  Many
>> >> countries
>> >>>> hire professors on the understanding that if they don't know the
>> >>>> indigenous language they will commit to learning it within the
>> >> first
>> >>>> two years of tenure.  As far as I am aware, that is normal
>> >>>> international practice.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Best,
>> >>>> Dominik
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>>
>> >>> JAN E.M. HOUBEN
>> >>>
>> >>> Directeur d'Études, Professor of South Asian History and
>> >> Philology
>> >>>
>> >>> _Sources et histoire de la tradition sanskrite_
>> >>>
>> >>> École Pratique des Hautes Études (EPHE, Paris Sciences et
>> >> Lettres)
>> >>>
>> >>> _SCIENCES HISTORIQUES ET PHILOLOGIQUES _
>> >>>
>> >>> Groupe de recherches en études indiennes (EA 2120)
>> >>>
>> >>> _johannes.houben [at] ephe.psl.eu_
>> >>>
>> >>> _https://ephe-sorbonne.academia.edu/JanEMHouben [2] [2]_
>> >>>
>> >>> _https://www.classicalindia.info_ [3] [3]
>> >>>
>> >>> LabEx Hastec OS 2021 -- _L'Inde Classique_ augmentée:
>> >> construction,
>> >>> transmission
>> >>>
>> >>> et transformations d'un savoir scientifique
>> >>>
>> >>> Links:
>> >>> ------
>> >>> [1]
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >
>> https://www.ephe.psl.eu/actualites/recrutement-des-seignants-chercheurs-2021
>> >> [1]
>> >>> [2] https://ephe-sorbonne.academia.edu/JanEMHouben [2]
>> >>> [3] https://www.classicalindia.info [4]
>> >>>
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>> > --
>> >
>> > J. Silk
>> > Leiden University
>> >
>> > Leiden University Institute for Area Studies, LIAS
>> > Matthias de Vrieshof 3, Room 0.05b
>> > 2311 BZ Leiden
>> >
>> > The Netherlands
>> >
>> > website: www.OpenPhilology.eu [6]
>> >
>> > copies of my publications may be found at
>> >
>> > https://leidenuniv.academia.edu/JASilk [7]
>> >
>> >
>> > Links:
>> > ------
>> > [1]
>> >
>> https://www.ephe.psl.eu/actualites/recrutement-des-seignants-chercheurs-2021
>> > [2] https://ephe-sorbonne.academia.edu/JanEMHouben
>> > [3] https://www.classicalindia.info_
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>
>
> --
>
> *Jan E.M. Houben*
>
> Directeur d'Études, Professor of South Asian History and Philology
>
> *Sources et histoire de la tradition sanskrite*
>
> École Pratique des Hautes Études (EPHE, Paris Sciences et Lettres)
>
> *Sciences historiques et philologiques *
>
> Groupe de recherches en études indiennes (EA 2120)
>
> *johannes.houben [at] ephe.psl.eu <johannes.houben at ephe.psl.eu>*
>
> *https://ephe-sorbonne.academia.edu/JanEMHouben
> <https://ephe-sorbonne.academia.edu/JanEMHouben>*
>
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>
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>
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