Re: [INDOLOGY] fate of demons slain by Rāma

Sun Sep 13 13:59:35 UTC 2020

Dear Artur,

There is indeed a large literature on the subject.
Michael Jerryson's article, "Buddhism, War, and Violence," ch. 22 in The Oxford Handbook of Buddhist Ethics,
provides a useful overview with a good bibliography.

Matthew

Matthew Kapstein
Directeur d'études, émérite
Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes, Paris

Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies,
The University of Chicago
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Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] fate of demons slain by Rāma

Any reflexions of the theme in the Buddhist tradition?

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niedz., 13 wrz 2020 o 15:38 Nagaraj Paturi via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> napisał(a):
Some contemporary studies on the theme of Hate as a kind of Love :

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2017.01940/full#:~:text=Therefore%2C%20love%20and%20hate%20are,psyches%20(Alford%2C%202005).

In Jung, we have " Love as a Shadow of Hate" "Love -hate binary"  etc.,

On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 7:03 PM Nagaraj Paturi <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com<mailto:nagarajpaturi at gmail.com>> wrote:
This theme is also connected to the theme of Vaira Bhakti or Vidvesha Bhakti.

This paradoxical concept of Vaira Bhakti is rooted in the idea of raaga and dvesha being the two forms of the same thing called sanga (e.g., in Gita).

Thus intra-Indic historical , global historical, intra-Indic comparative/cross-cultural , global comparative/cross-cultural  studies on  the theme of hate as a form of love also may provide diachronic and synchronic clues to the development / occurrence of the theme.

On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 6:11 PM Nagaraj Paturi <nagarajpaturi at gmail.com<mailto:nagarajpaturi at gmail.com>> wrote:
Studies on the history of the theme of Jaya -Vijaya and their incarnations as demons could be one route to tracing the history of this theme.

Studies on the historical background of the occurrence of this narrative in Bhagavata Purana may provide clues.

On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 3:52 PM Matthew Kapstein via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info<mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
Dear friends,

It is often said that the demons killed by Rāma
are in fact liberated or dispatched to favorable rebirths, which of course provides a needed ethical fig-leaf with which to gloss the violence done to them.
The notion that the demon is in fact freed by Rāma is, so far as I am aware, explicit in some cases (e.g. the story of Virādha), but not in every case.
When and where does it become a universal principle applied to all those killed? And are there any studies that you can recommend that focus on this particular theme? (which is perhaps more systematic in Kampan than in Vālmiki??)

Thanks in advance for any references you may be able to provide to scholarship on this subject.

Matthew

Matthew Kapstein
Directeur d'études, émérite
Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes, Paris

Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies,
The University of Chicago
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Director,  Inter-Gurukula-University Centre , Indic Academy
BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra
BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala
BoS Veda Vijnana Gurukula, Bengaluru.
Member, Advisory Council, Veda Vijnana Shodha Samsthanam, Bengaluru
Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies,
FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.

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Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.

Director,  Inter-Gurukula-University Centre , Indic Academy
BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra
BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala
BoS Veda Vijnana Gurukula, Bengaluru.
Member, Advisory Council, Veda Vijnana Shodha Samsthanam, Bengaluru
Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies,
FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,
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