[INDOLOGY] Question

Wed Jun 17 05:42:06 UTC 2020

Looking up the article in question (s.v. *kīla*, n.m., *kīlaka*, n.m., it
mentions Somaśambhupaddhati (ed. Brunner, vol. 3, p. 592, with note on the
same), Jayākhyasaṃhitā 28.64a; Pādmasaṃhitā 32.239cd.

"La mention du *kīlaka* est courante à l’époque moderne" should mean "is
[still] in use today"

A.P. = André Padoux (1920–2017).

Regards,

WS

Am Mi., 17. Juni 2020 um 06:16 Uhr schrieb Harry Spier via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info>:

> Madhav,
>
> You wrote:
>
>>  The statement "La mention du *k**ī**laka *est courante à l’époque
>> moderne." is also interesting.  How old are these notions?  Are they
>> limited to relatively late texts?
>>
>
> Like you I wondered what time span the writer meant by "  l’époque
> moderne." .  The full sentence reads "La mention du *k**ī**laka *est
> courante à l’époque moderne.[A.P.]"
>   Are [A.P.] the initials of the contributing author or something else:?
>
> There is also the statement in the TAK article: Les manuels de rituel qui
> mentionnent le *k**ī**laka *le donnent
>
> comme formé par un des éléments constitutifs (mot ou syllabe) du
>
> mantra. Une telle mention ne paraît pas être très ancienne. [A.P.]
>
>
> But the TAK article  doesn't give the names of these ritual manuals that
> mention kIlaka.
>
> Harry Spier
>
> I see the *kīlaka *in the Rāmarakṣāstotra, but there is no *argalā *in
>> it.  So it looks like there is no invariable connection between *kīlaka *and
>> *argalā.  *I have a manuscript in my hand that has some preamble to the
>> *Viṣṇusahasranāmastotra*, that refers to various verses in it as *bīja,
>> śakti, hr̥daya, kīlaka, astra, kavaca, *and *mantra*.  It does not have
>> *argalā*, and these various verses assigned these roles are scattered
>> throughout the text of the *Viṣṇusahasranāma*.  I wonder if it means
>> that while reciting the text of the *Viṣṇusahasranāma, *these various
>> steps or landmarks happen.  I was taught the recitation of this stotra, but
>> the recitation does not halt at these various verses to perform anything
>> specific. There is something mysterious to me.
>>
>> Madhav M. Deshpande
>> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
>> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
>> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>>
>> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 5:39 PM Harry Spier <vasishtha.spier at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Madhav,
>>> I've been trying to find this out (especially about *k**ī**laka *for
>>> over 20 years.
>>> 1. Thomas Coburn in his book "Encountering The Goddess" note 27 to
>>> Chapter 6 says:
>>> Ambika Datta UpAdhyAya observed that all mantras, Rg Vedic and other,
>>> have placed over them a curse which renders their recitation ineffective
>>> until it is removed with a kIlaka, a sort of "counter curse". An
>>> appropriate kIlaka exists for every mantra.  The episode that appears here
>>> in the kIlaka is clearly similar, but the restraint is placed on the mantra
>>> in SaptazatI not as a curse, but to contain its overwhelming power.
>>> 2. The TAK entry for kIlaka is:
>>>
>>> Au sens figuré, le *k**ī**laka *est un des éléments servant à
>>> caractériser
>>>
>>> un mantra tantrique et qui, dans les rites, doivent être imposés,
>>>
>>> par *ny**ā**sa**, en commençant par le ṛ*ṣ**i* (v. s.v. *rṣā**di**)*.
>>> Ce
>>>
>>> *kī**laka *est conçu comme la pointe grâce à laquelle le mantra va
>>>
>>> pouvoir se ficher dans la personne ou l’objet qu’il vise et donc
>>>
>>> agir. Les manuels de rituel qui mentionnent le *k**ī**laka *le donnent
>>>
>>> comme formé par un des éléments constitutifs (mot ou syllabe) du
>>>
>>> mantra. Une telle mention ne paraît pas être très ancienne. [A.P.]
>>>
>>> Le *k**ī**laka*, *PHA**Ṭ**􀄝****, du *sudar**ś**anasahasran**ā*
>>> *mastotramah**ā**mantra *est
>>>
>>> mentionné dans le Sudarśanasahasranāmastotra donné en appendice
>>>
>>> de l’AhS (p. 617). [M.R.] Voir aussi TBhS, p. 170, citant un
>>>
>>> texte non daté. La mention du *k**ī**laka *est courante à l’époque
>>> moderne.
>>>
>>> [A.P.]
>>>
>>> 3. Other than whats above.  The vague contradictory information that
>>> I've  received 15 0r 20 years (I no longer remember the sources)  is that
>>> it is like a bolt of a lock or a door.  Some informants saying that
>>> repeating the kIlaka bija syllable removes the pin of the lock or door
>>> releasing the power of the mantra.  Other informants saying repeating the
>>> kIlaka bija syllable puts the pin in the lock or door of the mantra to
>>> contain its power so the repeater of the mantra isn't destroyed by the
>>> power of the mantra.
>>>
>>> If you receive any information offlist please pass it on to me.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Harry Spier
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 11:54 PM Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY <
>>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>>
>>>> What is the exact significance of the terms अर्गला and कीलक as they
>>>> appear in qualifying several mantras, stotras etc?  I have seen these
>>>> terms, but did not think further about them. Someone asked me this
>>>> question, and I did not have an answer.
>>>>
>>>> Madhav M. Deshpande
>>>> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
>>>> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
>>>> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>>>>
>>>> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
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