Re: [INDOLOGY] Thieme on Īśopaniṣad

[Madhav Deshpande]

Thanks, Aleksandar,

     Your guess is similar to mine.  Will try to get hold of Signe Cohen's
"Text and Authority in the Older Upanishads" (Brill 2008).  I am currently
reading Śaṅkara's Bhāṣya on the Īśā Upaniṣad, and in that context
re-reading lot of secondary materials.  Best,

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]


On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 7:02 PM Uskokov, Aleksandar <
aleksandar.uskokov at yale.edu> wrote:

> Dear Madhav,
>
> the image does not show. The Isa is largely, though not exclusively, a
> compilation of mantras from the Brhad-Aranyaka (or perhaps the
> Brhad-aranyaka is a commentary on them (?)). I am under the impression that
> the 8th prapathaka of the Chandogya, the second part or so called
> prajapati-vakya, is a reply to and a rejection of Yajnavalkya's doctrine of
> the three states of the self in the 4th Adhyaya of the Brhad-Aranyaka. If
> that is right, then at least parts of the Isa would be older than parts of
> the Chandogya, though the details of their individual composition history
> might be lot more complicated.
>
> I would imagine that Signe Cohen "Text and Authority in the Older
> Upanishads" (Brill 2008) is still the most recent account on the chronology
> of the Upanishads.
>
> Best wishes
> Aleksandar
>
> Aleksandar Uskokov
>
> Lector in Sanskrit
>
> South Asian Studies Council, Yale University
>
> 203-432-1972 | aleksandar.uskokov at yale.edu
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> *Sent:* Friday, July 24, 2020 9:42 PM
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> *Subject:* [INDOLOGY] Thieme on Īśopaniṣad
>
> Dear Colleagues,
>
>      I have been rereading Professor Paul Thieme's article on the
> Īśopaniṣad published in the JAOS.  In one of his discussions, he seems to
> claim that the Chāndogya-Upaniṣad is older than the Īśa.  Here is that
> passage:
>
> [image: image.png]
>
> What is a good modern discussion about the relative chronology of the
> "older" Upaniṣads?  Has anyone discussed Thieme's views?  With best regards,
>
> Madhav M. Deshpande
> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>
> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
>


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