Re: [INDOLOGY] चुचोर?
Jan E.M. Houben
jemhouben at gmail.com
Fri Jul 24 19:00:33 UTC 2020
Could borrowing back from the vernacular perhaps be part of Sanskrit being,
or having been in former centuries, a living language?
As for the perfect formation: one could think of the optionality (or
anityatā) of ṆiC as the real underlying issue, and this was already
discussed before Vopadeva by
Mādhava, who refers to even earlier discussions such as the one occasioned
by the Kāśikāvṛtti citing jagaṇatuḥ jagaṇuḥ (although from root gaṇ in the
curādi gaṇa) as counterexamples under ata ekahal-...: here
Bodhisattvadeśīyācārya-Jinendrabuddhi is more ready to accept the KV's
examples than Vidvadvara-Haradattamiśra (both refer nevertheless to a nyāya
Could this difference further point to a *diglossic divergence* within the
Sanskrit tradition going back to the divergence between, on one side, the
KV of broader ("popular") orientation (followed by Jinendrabuddhi,
Vopadeva, Melputtur Narayana, the modern Mādhava) and, on the other side,
the Bhāṣya of śiṣṭa-elite orientation (followed by Haradatta, Kaiyaṭa, the
old Mādhava, i.e., Mādhava-Sāyaṇa ...)?
With best wishes,
On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 at 14:43, Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh at umich.edu> wrote:
> Dear Jan,
> Narayan Prasad on BVP also pointed to Bopadeva's Kavikalpadruma for
> चोरति/चोरयति. The verb form चोरति may as well be a borrow-back from
> vernacular usages. For now, Bopadeva is a good authority for me to use
> चोरति/चुचोर in my verses. The past perfect corresponding to चोरयति is the
> periphrastic चोरयामास type, rather than चुचोर. With best wishes,
> Madhav M. Deshpande
> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
> On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 11:31 PM Jan E.M. Houben <jemhouben at gmail.com>
>> Dear Madhav,
>> Rosen must have taken into account forms of medieval "living sanskrit"
>> noted by Vopadeva in his Kalpadruma.
>> Vopadeva lists, in stanza 265, *cur-ki steye*, with anubandha *ki*
>> indicating that it is among the roots that "belong to the *cur* class
>> only optionally":
>> Palsule, ed. of Kavikalpadruma of Vopadeva, Poona (sic) 1954, p. xxvii
>> (Vopadeva's anubandhas), and p. 43 for stanza 265: a commentary explains: *ki,
>> corayati corati*.
>> Palsule's Concordance published in 1955 in the Bulletin of the Deccan
>> College Research Institute lists *cur* on p. 46 as being accepted by all
>> grammarians exclusively as belonging to the Xth class, except Vopadeva who
>> accepts it in both the Ist and Xth class.
>> I did not check what your namesake Madhava has to say about *cur*.
>> But Melputtur Narayana Bhatta summarizes him in his brief comment on*
>> cur* (p. 619 of Guruvayur edition):
>> *cura steye / akāra uktyarthaḥ / ‘ṇicaś ca’ (AA 1.3.74) iti taṅ curāder
>> neti mataṁ mādhavadūṣitam / tenobhayapaditvam eva / corayati,
>> corayate’rtham / *
>> * ke cit sarvacurādīnām anityaṇyantatāṁ jaguḥ / yeṣāṁ vikalpacihnaṁ
>> ( ? -cittaṁ ?) syāt teṣām eveti mādhavaḥ //*
>> In addition, Narayana Bhatta gives* cura steye / corati* in his long
>> appendix to the Dhatupatha, under *drume’dhikā bhvādayaḥ*.
>> However, could one not have a perfect *cucora* even without accepting *cura
>> steye / corati*?
>> On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 at 17:56, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY <
>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>> In his book *Radices Sanskritae*, published in 1827 from Berlin,
>>> Frederick Rosen lists the root चुर् as occurring in the first and the 10th
>>> conjugations, and provides forms like चोरति/चोरयति and चुचोर/चोरयामास.
>>> [image: image.png]
>>> I have used the form चुचोर in one of my verses, and I wanted to know
>>> from other Vaiyākaraṇas if there is any evidence for the root चुर् in the
>>> first conjugation. Perhaps, G.B. Palsule's concordance of the various
>>> versions of the Dhātupāṭha has some information. I couldn't find my copy of
>>> this book. Rosen does not list the source of his information.
>>> Madhav M. Deshpande
>>> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
>>> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
>>> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>>> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
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>> *Jan E.M. Houben*
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*Jan E.M. Houben*
Directeur d'Études, Professor of South Asian History and Philology
*Sources et histoire de la tradition sanskrite*
École Pratique des Hautes Études (EPHE, Paris Sciences et Lettres)
*Sciences historiques et philologiques *
*johannes.houben [at] ephe.psl.eu <johannes.houben at ephe.psl.eu>*
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