[INDOLOGY] Deshpande Genealogy

[Madhav Deshpande]

I found a book gifted to my grandfather by someone, where it says: रा.
(=राजमान्य) वासुदेवराव देशपांडे यांस सप्रेम.  So, here my grandfather was
addressed as वासुदेवराव.  It is intriguing to me: रामचंद्रपंत
>वासुदेवराव>मुरलीधरपंत>माधवराव.  Would be a good research topic for someone.
Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]


On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 9:38 AM Madhav Deshpande <mmdesh at umich.edu> wrote:

> Hi Asko,
>
>      Yes, the word पंत in Marathi is derived from पण्डित.  In older forms
> of Marathi, a teacher was called पंतोजी.  In modern Marathi, however, पंत
> is simply an honorific, alternating with राव [< राज], and it does not
> retain its meaning as scholar or officer of the state.  Why some Marathi
> names typically have पंत, and others typically have राव, needs to be
> investigated.  I have noticed that पंत is typically found among Brahmins,
> while राव is found in all Marathi communities.  But even among Brahmin
> names, it is always विष्णुपंत and not विष्णुराव, and always माधवराव, and
> not माधवपंत.  I have not figured out why this is the case.
>
> Madhav M. Deshpande
> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>
> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 7:51 AM Asko Parpola <aparpola at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Molesworth’s Marathi-English dictionary (2nd ed. 1857 p. 487a): paṃta m
>> (Abridged from paṃḍita for which word it is still used at Benares &c.) A
>> prefix of honor before each of the designations of the aṣṭapradhāna or
>> eight grand counselors of the realm; as paṃta pratinidhi, paṃta amātya. 2.
>> An affix to the name of a Bráhman who, not having studied the Shástras,
>> employs himself in accounts and writing.
>>
>> “Asok"
>>
>> On 3 Feb 2020, at 17.25, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY <
>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Allen,
>>
>>      Difficult to say.  From the story about Lukambhatta that I
>> recounted, it seems that his role as a court astrologer may have given him
>> the title of Bhatta.  Otherwise, Panta or Rao are the common honorifics
>> used in Marathi.  Some names typically get Panta, while others typically
>> get Rao.  For my name, I have always heard Madhav Rao, but for my father,
>> it was always Murlidhar Panta.
>>
>> Madhav
>>
>> Madhav M. Deshpande
>> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
>> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
>> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>>
>> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 7:10 AM Allen Thrasher <alanus1216 at yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Madhav,
>>>
>>> Does the switch from -Bhatta to -Panta represent the bestowal of some
>>> sort of title or mark of distinction?
>>>
>>> Allen
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
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>>>
>>> On Sunday, February 2, 2020, 10:03 PM, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY <
>>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>>
>>> In an old letter of my father, he lists our genealogy from the 16th or
>>> 17th century. Here are some interesting details:
>>> Our known genealogy from 16th or 17th century:
>>>
>>> Lukambhatta>
>>> Avajipanta>
>>> Vitthalapanta>
>>> Balajipanta>
>>> Gobajipanta>
>>> Abajipanta>
>>> Balajipanta>
>>> Sakopanta>
>>> Appajipanta>
>>> Sakopanta>
>>> Krishnapanta>
>>> Sakharampanta [wife: Bakula]>
>>> Ramchandrapanta [wife: Janaki]>
>>> Vasudevpanta [wife: Lakshmi]>
>>> Murlidhar Panta [wife: Mandakini]>
>>> Madhav [wife: Shubhangi]
>>>
>>> My father had recovered this long genealogy from some old land ownership
>>> documents.  The land was originally granted to Lukambhatta [probably in the
>>> 16th of 17th century] and was handed down to the eldest son till my
>>> great-grand-father, and then it was sold.  There is a funny story told
>>> about Lukambhatta.  He was a Jyotishi "astrologer" at the court of some
>>> local ruler and it was his job to tell the king what Tithi it was on a
>>> given day.  One day he made a mistake and told the ruler that it was a full
>>> moon night (Paurnima), when actually it was a no moon night (Amavasya).
>>> That obviously created a big problem.  But Lukambhatta told the king that
>>> he was such an ardent devotee of some divinity that the king will indeed
>>> see the moon in the sky that night.  Evidently the king saw the moon on an
>>> Amavasya night, and was pleased with Lukambhatta and granted him the land
>>> that came all the way down to my great-grand-father.  A magical story
>>> indeed.
>>>
>>> My Sanskrit version of this genealogy:
>>>
>>> भारद्वाजस्य गोत्रे मे देशपाण्डेकुलोद्भव: ।
>>> तत्रादिपुरुषोऽस्माकं लुकम्भट्ट इति श्र्रुत: ।।
>>> ज्येष्ठस्तस्य सुतो ज्ञात आवजीपन्तनामक: ।
>>> तस्य विठ्ठलनामाभूत् तनयो वंशवर्धन: ।।
>>> बालाजिस्तस्य तनयो गोबाजिस्तस्य वै सुत: ।
>>> आबाजिस्तस्य तनयो बालाजिस्तस्य वै सुत: ।।
>>> तस्य पुत्र: सकोपन्तस्तस्याप्पाजि: सुतोऽभवत् ।
>>> तस्य पुत्र: सकोपन्तस्तस्य कृष्णोऽभवत्सुत: ।।
>>> तत्सुतोऽभूत्सखारामो बकुला तत्सधर्मिणी ।
>>> रामचन्द्रस्तयो: पुत्रो मदीय: प्रपितामह: ।।
>>> रामचन्द्रस्य भार्याभूज्जानकी धर्मचारिणी ।
>>> वासुदेवस्तयो:पुत्र: स आसीन्मे पितामह: ।।
>>> लक्ष्मीस्तस्याभवद्भार्या तत्सुतो मुरलीधर: ।
>>> माधवस्तत्तनूजोऽहं माता मन्दाकिनी मम ।।
>>>
>>> Madhav M. Deshpande
>>> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
>>> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
>>> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>>>
>>> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
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