[INDOLOGY] Deshpande Genealogy

[Madhav Deshpande]

Hi Asko,

     Yes, the word पंत in Marathi is derived from पण्डित.  In older forms
of Marathi, a teacher was called पंतोजी.  In modern Marathi, however, पंत
is simply an honorific, alternating with राव [< राज], and it does not
retain its meaning as scholar or officer of the state.  Why some Marathi
names typically have पंत, and others typically have राव, needs to be
investigated.  I have noticed that पंत is typically found among Brahmins,
while राव is found in all Marathi communities.  But even among Brahmin
names, it is always विष्णुपंत and not विष्णुराव, and always माधवराव, and
not माधवपंत.  I have not figured out why this is the case.

Madhav M. Deshpande
Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies

[Residence: Campbell, California, USA]


On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 7:51 AM Asko Parpola <aparpola at gmail.com> wrote:

> Molesworth’s Marathi-English dictionary (2nd ed. 1857 p. 487a): paṃta m
> (Abridged from paṃḍita for which word it is still used at Benares &c.) A
> prefix of honor before each of the designations of the aṣṭapradhāna or
> eight grand counselors of the realm; as paṃta pratinidhi, paṃta amātya. 2.
> An affix to the name of a Bráhman who, not having studied the Shástras,
> employs himself in accounts and writing.
>
> “Asok"
>
> On 3 Feb 2020, at 17.25, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>
> Dear Allen,
>
>      Difficult to say.  From the story about Lukambhatta that I recounted,
> it seems that his role as a court astrologer may have given him the title
> of Bhatta.  Otherwise, Panta or Rao are the common honorifics used in
> Marathi.  Some names typically get Panta, while others typically get Rao.
> For my name, I have always heard Madhav Rao, but for my father, it was
> always Murlidhar Panta.
>
> Madhav
>
> Madhav M. Deshpande
> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>
> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 7:10 AM Allen Thrasher <alanus1216 at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Madhav,
>>
>> Does the switch from -Bhatta to -Panta represent the bestowal of some
>> sort of title or mark of distinction?
>>
>> Allen
>>
>>
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>>
>> On Sunday, February 2, 2020, 10:03 PM, Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY <
>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>
>> In an old letter of my father, he lists our genealogy from the 16th or
>> 17th century. Here are some interesting details:
>> Our known genealogy from 16th or 17th century:
>>
>> Lukambhatta>
>> Avajipanta>
>> Vitthalapanta>
>> Balajipanta>
>> Gobajipanta>
>> Abajipanta>
>> Balajipanta>
>> Sakopanta>
>> Appajipanta>
>> Sakopanta>
>> Krishnapanta>
>> Sakharampanta [wife: Bakula]>
>> Ramchandrapanta [wife: Janaki]>
>> Vasudevpanta [wife: Lakshmi]>
>> Murlidhar Panta [wife: Mandakini]>
>> Madhav [wife: Shubhangi]
>>
>> My father had recovered this long genealogy from some old land ownership
>> documents.  The land was originally granted to Lukambhatta [probably in the
>> 16th of 17th century] and was handed down to the eldest son till my
>> great-grand-father, and then it was sold.  There is a funny story told
>> about Lukambhatta.  He was a Jyotishi "astrologer" at the court of some
>> local ruler and it was his job to tell the king what Tithi it was on a
>> given day.  One day he made a mistake and told the ruler that it was a full
>> moon night (Paurnima), when actually it was a no moon night (Amavasya).
>> That obviously created a big problem.  But Lukambhatta told the king that
>> he was such an ardent devotee of some divinity that the king will indeed
>> see the moon in the sky that night.  Evidently the king saw the moon on an
>> Amavasya night, and was pleased with Lukambhatta and granted him the land
>> that came all the way down to my great-grand-father.  A magical story
>> indeed.
>>
>> My Sanskrit version of this genealogy:
>>
>> भारद्वाजस्य गोत्रे मे देशपाण्डेकुलोद्भव: ।
>> तत्रादिपुरुषोऽस्माकं लुकम्भट्ट इति श्र्रुत: ।।
>> ज्येष्ठस्तस्य सुतो ज्ञात आवजीपन्तनामक: ।
>> तस्य विठ्ठलनामाभूत् तनयो वंशवर्धन: ।।
>> बालाजिस्तस्य तनयो गोबाजिस्तस्य वै सुत: ।
>> आबाजिस्तस्य तनयो बालाजिस्तस्य वै सुत: ।।
>> तस्य पुत्र: सकोपन्तस्तस्याप्पाजि: सुतोऽभवत् ।
>> तस्य पुत्र: सकोपन्तस्तस्य कृष्णोऽभवत्सुत: ।।
>> तत्सुतोऽभूत्सखारामो बकुला तत्सधर्मिणी ।
>> रामचन्द्रस्तयो: पुत्रो मदीय: प्रपितामह: ।।
>> रामचन्द्रस्य भार्याभूज्जानकी धर्मचारिणी ।
>> वासुदेवस्तयो:पुत्र: स आसीन्मे पितामह: ।।
>> लक्ष्मीस्तस्याभवद्भार्या तत्सुतो मुरलीधर: ।
>> माधवस्तत्तनूजोऽहं माता मन्दाकिनी मम ।।
>>
>> Madhav M. Deshpande
>> Professor Emeritus, Sanskrit and Linguistics
>> University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
>> Senior Fellow, Oxford Center for Hindu Studies
>>
>> [Residence: Campbell, California, USA]
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