[INDOLOGY] Date of Candranandana

[Paul Hackett]

Dear all,

  If you check the reading found in the Snar-thang recension of the text, it confirms Peter's speculation; it does, in fact, read:

dpal ldan sgrib byed lha yis ni / ...

In general, Snar-thang presents far more accurate readings (assessed in terms of agreement with extant Sanskrit text) than the Sde-dge recension (whose "revised" readings are often corrupt).

Regards,

Paul Hackett


> On Oct 13, 2019, at 1:11 PM, Péter-Dániel Szántó via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
> 
> Dear friends, 
> 
> Since sthagana means concealment/cover, that part corresponds to sgrib, so I suspect that originally the Tibetan had sgrib byed, not sgrib med. 
> 
> Best,
> Peter
> 
> 
> On Sun, Oct 13, 2019 at 5:24 PM Andrey Klebanov via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>> wrote:
> Dear all, 
> 
> I was looking at the Tibetan translation of Candranandana’s introductory verses:
> praṇamya devadeveśaṃ hariṃ vāṅnidhim akṣaram/
> padārthacandrikāṃ ṭīkāṃ śubhrāṃ sarvahitāvahām//1//
> 'phrog byed mi zad tshig gi gter // lha yi lha dbaṅ rab btud de  //
> rgyas bshad tshig don zla ba'i zer // kun la phan gsal bdag gis ni //
> 
> śrīmacchakunadevena prerito hṛdaye sphuțam/
> buddhyā kariṣyāmi guroḥ saṃsmṛtya caraṇāmbujam//2//
> dpal ldan sgrib med (D1b4) lha yis ni // sñiṅ ni rnam par draṅs pas na //
> bla ma'i luṅ ni yaṅ dag ñid // gsal bar rtogs nas brtsam par bya //
> 
> As you can see, instead of expected *Tha ga na (or, at least, smth. connected to Śakuna), we find Sgrib med (*Nirāvaraṇa ?!).
> 
> I am really puzzled by this find and would be very grateful if anyone could suggest what I could do in order to try understanding this oddity (I am not a Tibetologist, so apologies for this, perhaps, very basic question). Are there any Tibetan lists of Indian rulers or personal names in general? Could one think of any plausible explanation for this translation given that the original could have read smth. like “Thakkana/ Śakuna”?
> 
> Thanks very much in advance!
> 
> best,
> Andrey
> On Oct 9, 2019 02:41 +0900, Matthew Kapstein <mkapstei at uchicago.edu <mailto:mkapstei at uchicago.edu>>, wrote:
>> As I see it, it is crucial that also Kalhaṇa mentions a ruler named 
>> Thakkana (RT 6.230, 231, 236) as an adversary of Abhimanyu (ruled 
>> 958-972).
>> 
>> That is certainly correct, Roland - he must be the Tha ga na of the concluding verse.
>> 
>> Matthew
>> 
>> Matthew Kapstein
>> Directeur d'études,
>> Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes
>> 
>> Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies,
>> The University of Chicago
>> From: Roland Steiner <steiner at staff.uni-marburg.de <mailto:steiner at staff.uni-marburg.de>>
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2019 12:31 PM
>> To: Matthew Kapstein <mkapstei at uchicago.edu <mailto:mkapstei at uchicago.edu>>
>> Cc: andra.kleb at gmail.com <mailto:andra.kleb at gmail.com> <andra.kleb at gmail.com <mailto:andra.kleb at gmail.com>>; indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info> <indology at list.indology.info <mailto:indology at list.indology.info>>; Madhu K Parameshwaran <madhusukrutham at gmail.com <mailto:madhusukrutham at gmail.com>>
>> Subject: Re: [INDOLOGY] Date of Candranandana
>>  
>> Dear Mathew,
>> 
>> I am sure you are right, but it may be worthwhile to look at some of 
>> the many references he has given.
>> 
>> As I see it, it is crucial that also Kalhaṇa mentions a ruler named 
>> Thakkana (RT 6.230, 231, 236) as an adversary of Abhimanyu (ruled 
>> 958-972).
>> 
>> Best,
>> Roland
>> 
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