[INDOLOGY] Date of Candranandana

Mon Oct 7 20:27:04 UTC 2019

Thanks Matthew.  I will keep the name of king Tha ga na in reference in
case I come across anything that would help explain what his Kashmiri name
was.
Cheers
James

On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 9:16 PM Matthew Kapstein <mkapstei at uchicago.edu>
wrote:

> All we can say is that he must have lived after VAgbhaTa and before ca.
> 1000.
> His concluding verses do mention a king, but I cannot correlate the name
> as given in Tibetan - Tha ga na - with anyone in the lists of Kashmiri
> kings with which I am familiar.
>
> Matthew Kapstein
> Directeur d'études,
> Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes
>
> Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies,
> The University of Chicago
> ------------------------------
> *From:* James Hartzell <james.hartzell at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, October 7, 2019 1:51 PM
> *To:* Matthew Kapstein <mkapstei at uchicago.edu>
> *Cc:* andra.kleb at gmail.com <andra.kleb at gmail.com>; Indology <
> indology at list.indology.info>
> *Subject:* Re: [INDOLOGY] Date of Candranandana
>
> Do we have any idea of when Candranandana himself may have lived?
>
> On Sun, Oct 6, 2019 at 6:57 PM Matthew Kapstein <mkapstei at uchicago.edu>
> wrote:
>
> Just to follow up on Andrey's comments:
> In the concluding verses in the Rin chen bzang po translation
> Candranandana states that he was born in Kashmir (kha che'i yul du skyes pa
> yin). The translator does not tell us where he studied or translated the
> text, but because Rin chen bzang po did work extensively in Kashmir, we may
> assume he did so there.
>
> Matthew
>
> Matthew Kapstein
> Directeur d'études,
> Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes
>
> Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies,
> The University of Chicago
> ------------------------------
> *From:* andra.kleb at gmail.com <andra.kleb at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 6, 2019 11:15 AM
> *To:* Indology <indology at list.indology.info>; James Hartzell <
> james.hartzell at gmail.com>; Matthew Kapstein <mkapstei at uchicago.edu>
> *Subject:* Re: [INDOLOGY] Date of Candranandana
>
> Dear Dr Hartzell,
>
> The introductory verses to Candrananda’s commentary on the *
> Aṣṭāṅgahṛdayasaṃhitā* call the text *Padārthacandrikā* (not *Amṛtahṛdaya
> Aśṭāṅga Guhyopadeśatantra* ?!). See “[…] padārthacandrikāṃ ṭīkāṃ […]
> kariṣyāmi … ”
>
> As far as I am aware, the assumed date of the Tibetan translation
> provides, indeed, the earliest *terminus ante quem*, but, as to now, one
> could not find any evidence to determine the *terminus post quem* — that
> is, the TPQ is given merely by the composition of the root text.
> I heard from several scholars in India that they thought Candrananda
> hailed from Kashmir. I am not sure about the rationale behind this belief,
> but I guess that it is influenced by the Tibetan tradition. As for Sanskrit
> sources, someone Candrananda (the *Padārthacandrikā *has not been
> published in its entirety yet, so we still don’t know if it’s the same
> Candra or not) is often quoted by Kṣīrasvāmin (fl. ca. 11th cent.) in his
> commentary on the *Amarakośa*, and one can also establish that Candra’s
> text exhibited significant influence on Indu (fl. ca. 12th cent.). Both
> authors were most likely from Kashmir, which may supply some very weak
> evidence for connecting Candra with this region.
>
> best,
> Andrey
> On Oct 6, 2019 22:28 +0900, Matthew Kapstein via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info>, wrote:
>
> Dear Jim,
>
> According to the catalogues of the Tibetan canon, the translation was done
> by Rin-chen-bzang-po (955-1054), and, because he also translated the root
> text, this seems likely to be correct.
>
> Although Vairocana of Pa-gor seems to have been a real 8th c. individual,
> it is very difficult to disentangle whatever is factual from the enormous
> body of legend that grew up around him. Because the Tibetan medical tantra,
> the Rgyud-bzhi (Four Tantras), is an apocryphon that claims its authority
> with reference to the period of the 8th c. monarch Khri srong lde'u btsan,
> it is not surprising that the "historical" tradition that developed around
> it would have wanted to appropriate other authorities as well.
>
> best,
> Matthew
>
> Matthew Kapstein
> Directeur d'études,
> Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes
>
> Numata Visiting Professor of Buddhist Studies,
> The University of Chicago
> ------------------------------
> *From:* INDOLOGY <indology-bounces at list.indology.info> on behalf of James
> Hartzell via INDOLOGY <indology at list.indology.info>
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 6, 2019 5:57 AM
> *To:* Indology <indology at list.indology.info>
> *Subject:* [INDOLOGY] Date of Candranandana
>
> Hi
>
> Does anyone have a definitive date for Candranandana, author of the
> commentary *Amṛtahṛdaya Aśṭāṅga Guhyopadeśatantra* on Vāgbhaṭa´s
> *Aṣṭāṅgahṛdaya* (or *Aṣṭhāṅgasaṃhitā*)?  According to the Tibetan medical
> history tradition, as reported in "The Origin of the rGyud bzhi: A Tibetan
> Medical Tantra” by Todd Fenner (
> https://www.thlib.org/encyclopedias/literary/genres/genres-book.php#!book=/studies-in-genres/b27/dn3/),
> Vairocana studied with him in Kashmir, and translated this text into
> Tibetan, and presented it to King Trisong Detsen (Tibetan: ཁྲི་སྲོང་ལྡེ་བཙན),
> who ruled (according to Wikipedia) 755 CE until 797 or 804 CE.
>
> Dr. Fenner´s history would place Candranandana in the late 8th century
> CE.  Has this account been further confirmed?
>
> Cheers
> James
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> James Hartzell, PhD
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> Center for Mind/Brain Sciences (CIMeC), The University of Trento, Italy
> Center for Buddhist Studies, Columbia University, USA
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James Hartzell, PhD
Basque Center on Cognition, Brain and Language (BCBL), Donostia, Spain
Center for Mind/Brain Sciences (CIMeC), The University of Trento, Italy
Center for Buddhist Studies, Columbia University, USA

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