[INDOLOGY] Non-standard sandhi

Tue Mar 19 11:56:36 UTC 2019

Dear Dr. Philipp A. Maas
I was unaware of this. Thanks for the information.
KP

On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 4:41 PM Philipp Maas via INDOLOGY <
indology at list.indology.info> wrote:

> Dear Krishnaprasad,
>
> It would be interesting to know the first attestation for the use of
> *avagraha* in manuscripts and inscriptions. According to G. Bühler, the
> oldest attestation of an avagraha used for the elision of a can be found of
> a copper plate inscription of the Rāṣṭrakūta king Dhruva from 834/5 CE (Indische
> Palaeographie
> <https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.340669/page/n3>, p. 86).
> This reference may, of course, not represent the latest state of research.
>
>
>
> Best,
>
>
>
> Philipp
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> Am Di., 19. März 2019 um 01:31 Uhr schrieb Krishnaprasad G via INDOLOGY <
> indology at list.indology.info>:
>
>> This avagrahava is very very modern.
>> In Mahabhasya Patanjali writes for भ्यसो भ्यम् as किमयं भ्यंशब्दः
>> अहोस्विद् अभ्यम् शब्दः
>> कुतः सन्देहः ? समानो निर्देशः।
>> And even in the time of Bhattoji Dikshita was not used.
>> For समुदाङ्भ्यो यमोग्रन्थे  he comments, अग्रन्थे इतिच्छेदः।
>> And there is a commentary on Bhagavatam by Satyadharmatirtha he is 250
>> years back. Even he writes such.
>> So no difference in pronunciation.
>> KP
>>
>> On Tue 19 Mar, 2019, 3:12 AM Madhav Deshpande via INDOLOGY, <
>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Harry,
>>>
>>>      You have raised an interesting question.  The term *avagraha *is
>>> used in older texts like the Prātiśākhyas and Śikṣās to refer to a pause
>>> between members of compounds in the Padapāṭha, and some texts like the
>>> Śaunakīya-Caturādhyāyikā (3.3.35: ऋगर्धर्चपदान्तावग्रहविवृत्तिषु मात्राकाल:
>>> काल:) assign the duration of a *mātrā *to this type of *avagraha*.  The
>>> written sign of *avagraha *(ऽ) in later times got extended to cases
>>> like ततोऽपि and एतेऽपि, and yet I have not seen evidence for this extension
>>> in any of the phonetic texts, and to my knowledge there is no actual pause
>>> in recitation in these cases.  Such a pause would create difficulties with
>>> the meters.  How, when and why the term *avagraha *and the written sign
>>> (ऽ) got extended to such uses needs to be investigated.  But it has no
>>> phonetic value as far as I know.
>>>
>>> Madhav
>>>
>>> Madhav M. Deshpande
>>> Professor Emeritus
>>> Sanskrit and Linguistics
>>> University of Michigan
>>> [Residence: Campbell, California]
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 12:25 PM Harry Spier via INDOLOGY <
>>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>>
>>>> How are avagrahas considered in metrical verses?
>>>> Is --- sahite 'sya --- pronounced as if it was --- sahite sya --- or is
>>>> there a slight pause for the avagraha?
>>>>
>>>> Harry Spier
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 3:43 AM Martin Gansten via INDOLOGY <
>>>> indology at list.indology.info> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks to Madhav Deshpande, Andrey Klebanov and Harry Spier for their
>>>>> (off-list) replies to my question, confirming that the sandhi *e + a
>>>>> > a a* is indeed non-standard. Madhav wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I have not seen another example exactly like this, and have not come
>>>>> across a traditional rule to deal with this.  I wonder how hybrid this text
>>>>> is, or whether there are manuscript variants for this particular passage.
>>>>> One thing I noticed is that if we keep the presumed pre-sandhi reading of
>>>>> "sahite asya," the meter does not work, and neither does it work with the
>>>>> regular sandhi "sahite 'sya."  The meter does seem to work with "sahita
>>>>> asya".  The last syllable of "sahita" needs to be metrically light.  So I
>>>>> suppose some sort of metrical compulsion may have resulted in this
>>>>> irregularity.  Just a thought.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The work in question is a largish one (~550 stanzas) and written in
>>>>> perfectly grammatical, sometimes even elegant Sanskrit in a variety of
>>>>> metres, with no particular suggestion of being hybrid, and the witnesses I
>>>>> have seen (two of the work itself, and half a dozen of another work quoting
>>>>> the verse in question) all agree on the reading of this passage.
>>>>>
>>>>> Harry raised the same point about the metre (svāgatā), but it wouldn't
>>>>> be difficult to rephrase the pāda so as to conform to both metre and
>>>>> standard sandhi (e.g., tena vāpi sahite 'sya ca labdhis). So I am left with
>>>>> the impression that Yādavasūri must have considered his choice of sandhi in
>>>>> this case unproblematic, although he usually follows the stardard rule *e
>>>>> + a > e [']*.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks again,
>>>>> Martin
>>>>>
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